Off Topic In/out?
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Out for the right type of buyer.
In providing there’s staunch changes in upper management.
In providing there’s staunch changes in upper management.
We can’t deny what they have done for us off the pitch but this super league saga has turned even the staunchest of Levy fans from what I am seeing.
It could just be raw emotion at the moment or it might just be the one thing that has broken the camels back for many fans
It’s an interesting time for us and Mr Levy, I don’t think the relationship has been at a lower point between fan and owners as it is today.
I think the Super League issue has been dramatically overblown. I think the clubs read the situation wrongly and were simply trying to wrestle some control back from UEFA and as far as Spurs were concerned, being guaranteed a permanent spot in the Super League is better than continuously missing out on CL!
The value of the club has sky rocketed over the past years and it would terrify me as to who could potentially buy the club after ENIC. The grass isn't always greener on the other side!
Which is why they kept something that has obviously been a long time in planning so secret that even their own managers and playing staff knew nothing about it.
They read the situation perfectly well which is why they tried to present it as a fait accompli in the vain hope that people would just say Oh!
You are talking about people who are used to reading situations and getting ahead of the game, this time the Oh! factor didn't work.
Out but with the proviso that Levy stays as chairman and we appoint a DoF or at least prominent technical director and Levy moving forward has nothing to do with on-pitch decisions. He can carry on chatting to the players over a croissant, I'll give him that.
I think we underestimate the dangers of having a chairman and significant (if not majority) shareholder who doesn't really care about the club. For all his faults, Levy is as much Spurs as we are, and that counts for a lot.
It's a strange thing as looking back over 2 decades, ENIC haven't done much wrong in terms of off-pitch decisions. It has only been in the past year with the furlough debacle and now the ESL that cracks have began appearing. What is interesting is that neither of those were 'bad' decisions. They made perfect financial sense. But they both represent a shocking and fundamental misreading of how they would be received. Perhaps that is indicative of an executive that doesn't really know where to go from here, so just does whatever seems practical? Or one that is desperate to sell up, therefore doing everything possible to keep the club as financially healthy as possible in order to entice a buyer? The only other option is that ENIC's plan is to be here for the long haul, but these decisions were taken purposefully and knowing full well what the reaction would be, but doing it anyway.
The last option is by far the most terrifying.
I think we underestimate the dangers of having a chairman and significant (if not majority) shareholder who doesn't really care about the club. For all his faults, Levy is as much Spurs as we are, and that counts for a lot.
It's a strange thing as looking back over 2 decades, ENIC haven't done much wrong in terms of off-pitch decisions. It has only been in the past year with the furlough debacle and now the ESL that cracks have began appearing. What is interesting is that neither of those were 'bad' decisions. They made perfect financial sense. But they both represent a shocking and fundamental misreading of how they would be received. Perhaps that is indicative of an executive that doesn't really know where to go from here, so just does whatever seems practical? Or one that is desperate to sell up, therefore doing everything possible to keep the club as financially healthy as possible in order to entice a buyer? The only other option is that ENIC's plan is to be here for the long haul, but these decisions were taken purposefully and knowing full well what the reaction would be, but doing it anyway.
The last option is by far the most terrifying.
ENIC aren't going anywhere unless or until it becomes impossible for Joe Lewis to get his hands on an NFL franchise, He has been trying to do so (and failing) for decades. Until then, or he dies, only an insane bid will see the end of their time with us.
There have been rumours that they came close to selling 50% of the club last year and I could well believe that. Rumours are that they value the club somewhere between £1.5 and £2 billion and there's very few outright buyers at that price. They may have priced themselves above the ceiling for a club like us, despite the stadium and its potential. Even oil money seems to go on clubs that have seen better days, that the owners can pick up cheap, where the fans are desperate to see investment and it won't matter who was exploited in acquiring it.
The club is at a cross roads, having achieved all of the structural development on the footballing side. We have everything a big club needs...except for huge amounts of money and the know how to spend it half well.
Make Levy concentrate on getting the money in. Let someone else spend it. Wait.
There have been rumours that they came close to selling 50% of the club last year and I could well believe that. Rumours are that they value the club somewhere between £1.5 and £2 billion and there's very few outright buyers at that price. They may have priced themselves above the ceiling for a club like us, despite the stadium and its potential. Even oil money seems to go on clubs that have seen better days, that the owners can pick up cheap, where the fans are desperate to see investment and it won't matter who was exploited in acquiring it.
The club is at a cross roads, having achieved all of the structural development on the footballing side. We have everything a big club needs...except for huge amounts of money and the know how to spend it half well.
Make Levy concentrate on getting the money in. Let someone else spend it. Wait.
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As I've said before, if we had any other owners and they were offered a place in the ESL, would those owners really have turned it down?
But I guess that doesn't fit on a banner, does it?
But I guess that doesn't fit on a banner, does it?
In. The alternatives all seem utterly disgusting, frankly.
The best that we could hope for is someone that doesn't really give much of a ****, but wants to protect their investment.
The worst? A dictator or mobbed up murderer in the pocket of one.
Levy's not perfect, by any stretch of the imagination, but the rest of the Premier League is run by a rogue's gallery of ****e.
Look down the list and tell me who you'd pick from the current owners instead.
There's a bunch that would make me walk away, I'm afraid.
The best that we could hope for is someone that doesn't really give much of a ****, but wants to protect their investment.
The worst? A dictator or mobbed up murderer in the pocket of one.
Levy's not perfect, by any stretch of the imagination, but the rest of the Premier League is run by a rogue's gallery of ****e.
Look down the list and tell me who you'd pick from the current owners instead.
There's a bunch that would make me walk away, I'm afraid.
As I have often said, it makes me uneasy that the financial state
of Spurs for the past 20+ years has ultimately been guaranteed by
someone who made their core wealth off of "Black wednesday"
(an event that did immense financial damage to the citizens of the UK) .
But that is an "alms service" by comparison to how some of
the current PL club owners made their wealth or operate.
I find it hard to blame people for profiting from **** like that, as it's a symptom of a broken system.
If the government doesn't want to do anything about it and won't penalise such actions in law, then they have to expect it to happen.
You don't leave your front door open with a sign saying, "Thieves won't be prosecuted", above it, then moan when you get your stuff nicked.
The financial crisis of 07/08 was a similar example.
They knew it was a possibility and pushed for the circumstances that created it.
Nothing happened to those that used it to make a **** ton of money, barring a few exceptions. It will happen again.
Currency speculation is not a crime.
What clashes with my moral/social code is that an (ostensibly)
UK citizen speculated against the currency of his home nation,
in the full knowledge that if his position succeeded it would do
severe financial damage to the nation and its citizens.
That person was subsequently able to use wealth accrued therein
to purchase the football club I love.
That is the conflict I face when it comes to all things Joe Lewis.
< YMMV >
That's precisely my point, though.
Our laws are supposed to protect us from that sort of thing, aren't they?
Intentionally damaging the country for personal benefit isn't a crime, but nicking a loaf of bread from a supermarket bin is.
Our priorities are off.
Has to be out for me...this Super league saga has confirmed what I thought anyway tbh
Bale
Mourinho
Alex Morgan
Amazon doc
All these are publicity stunts in the hope of getting global eyes onto the brand when you have a quick gander at the above people’s social media following and of course a documentary on Amazon. I’m sure there are other little things that point in a similar direction that have missed my radar for now.
ENIC will land us someone like Potter who we will all feel obliged to support...because that’s us fans for ya and don’t Levy know it. I fear some will be eating out of his palms again when he tugs a few more emotional strings in the course of the next few months judging from the comments so far.
He doesn’t care about our success on the pitch...of course he has to keep the staff rolling over otherwise if he could he would buy no one. Imagine being in a league that doesn’t have jeopardy, then it doesn’t matter if we have a good squad or not, we won’t get relegated. For me, that’s why ENIC don’t give a **** of any size when it comes to improving the squad with true quality...just keep on ticking over...we want a player of a certain standard, Levy thinks ok, I’m shopping 2 levels below...the end game in their head is this SL and it’s format which guarantees money in regardless of where you finish...it’s in plain sight what the intentions are.
What we going to do about it? **** all...he’s seen for the last 20 years how our psyche works...he knows most are happy with things so long as we are there or thereabouts...no one expects us to actually get there to the promised lands...I ****ing do and I can see through all this again.
He’s a custodian he isn’t the definition, heart and soul of Spurs...he’s had his time...his intentions aren’t in line with us, certainly not mine the greedy shaisty pigs.
Bale
Mourinho
Alex Morgan
Amazon doc
All these are publicity stunts in the hope of getting global eyes onto the brand when you have a quick gander at the above people’s social media following and of course a documentary on Amazon. I’m sure there are other little things that point in a similar direction that have missed my radar for now.
ENIC will land us someone like Potter who we will all feel obliged to support...because that’s us fans for ya and don’t Levy know it. I fear some will be eating out of his palms again when he tugs a few more emotional strings in the course of the next few months judging from the comments so far.
He doesn’t care about our success on the pitch...of course he has to keep the staff rolling over otherwise if he could he would buy no one. Imagine being in a league that doesn’t have jeopardy, then it doesn’t matter if we have a good squad or not, we won’t get relegated. For me, that’s why ENIC don’t give a **** of any size when it comes to improving the squad with true quality...just keep on ticking over...we want a player of a certain standard, Levy thinks ok, I’m shopping 2 levels below...the end game in their head is this SL and it’s format which guarantees money in regardless of where you finish...it’s in plain sight what the intentions are.
What we going to do about it? **** all...he’s seen for the last 20 years how our psyche works...he knows most are happy with things so long as we are there or thereabouts...no one expects us to actually get there to the promised lands...I ****ing do and I can see through all this again.
He’s a custodian he isn’t the definition, heart and soul of Spurs...he’s had his time...his intentions aren’t in line with us, certainly not mine the greedy shaisty pigs.
I don't hate Levy/ ENIC but my support of them has declined over the last 18 or so months.
For me it's always about if I see progression for the club. Off the pitch it's hard to fault them but footballing decisions have been so bad for far too long and it's contributed towards some dismal stuff over the last couple years, we've seen a squad decline, new signings perform horrendously and it's left us with a cluster of poor players that are being carried by Kane and one or two others to a lesser degree, it's hard to see us massively improving anytime soon under the current set up.
Constantly paying so much money for a product that isn't worth it also makes it worse for us fans. In anything, when you feel like you've overpaid for something you hold a resentment, could be food in a restaurant, could be a computer game, could be a gadget, anything. Paying some of the highest prices in Europe, that comes with an expectation and that expectation isn't seeing my team play dismal football and struggle to make European spots whilst also being embarrassed in Europe.
I look at Leicester's owners at the moment and I'm quite envious of them. They're doing a lot of what ENIC done in the early years by investing in youth and selling for large profits, using that profit to then reinvest into the squad and also in infrastructure, repeating that process until the stature of the club is very healthy and the quality of playing personnel is also impressive. They also do some good stuff with fans, most seasons you often hear about how fans get a free beer/ drink or a free donut for one or two games a season, small things like that go a long way to building a relationship with fans. I can't help but feel Leicester are only on the up under them and it'd be nice to get that feeling back at Spurs.
Can ENIC bring that feeling back? Yes. Will they? Unsure. Levy certainly needs to be removed from football decisions, I think it was PNP that said the other day something along the lines of that he's done great to build Spurs up but he now has far too much to do and by trying to do it all he's making mistakes left, right and centre. If reports are to be believed too, I think he massively overrates the playing squad and that's a bit of a concern to me as I worry if we'll be doing enough to shift a number of them on in the summer.
So overall, I'd be happy for ENIC to sell up if a good buyer could come in with strong intentions for the club. I'm equally happy for them to stay but I need to see some changes at the top and some restructuring because if we carry on as things are, it's not going to be very enjoyable.
For me it's always about if I see progression for the club. Off the pitch it's hard to fault them but footballing decisions have been so bad for far too long and it's contributed towards some dismal stuff over the last couple years, we've seen a squad decline, new signings perform horrendously and it's left us with a cluster of poor players that are being carried by Kane and one or two others to a lesser degree, it's hard to see us massively improving anytime soon under the current set up.
Constantly paying so much money for a product that isn't worth it also makes it worse for us fans. In anything, when you feel like you've overpaid for something you hold a resentment, could be food in a restaurant, could be a computer game, could be a gadget, anything. Paying some of the highest prices in Europe, that comes with an expectation and that expectation isn't seeing my team play dismal football and struggle to make European spots whilst also being embarrassed in Europe.
I look at Leicester's owners at the moment and I'm quite envious of them. They're doing a lot of what ENIC done in the early years by investing in youth and selling for large profits, using that profit to then reinvest into the squad and also in infrastructure, repeating that process until the stature of the club is very healthy and the quality of playing personnel is also impressive. They also do some good stuff with fans, most seasons you often hear about how fans get a free beer/ drink or a free donut for one or two games a season, small things like that go a long way to building a relationship with fans. I can't help but feel Leicester are only on the up under them and it'd be nice to get that feeling back at Spurs.
Can ENIC bring that feeling back? Yes. Will they? Unsure. Levy certainly needs to be removed from football decisions, I think it was PNP that said the other day something along the lines of that he's done great to build Spurs up but he now has far too much to do and by trying to do it all he's making mistakes left, right and centre. If reports are to be believed too, I think he massively overrates the playing squad and that's a bit of a concern to me as I worry if we'll be doing enough to shift a number of them on in the summer.
So overall, I'd be happy for ENIC to sell up if a good buyer could come in with strong intentions for the club. I'm equally happy for them to stay but I need to see some changes at the top and some restructuring because if we carry on as things are, it's not going to be very enjoyable.
Sportswashing. I prefer my club to not be owned by a bunch of crooks who give money to a military dictatorship.
Meh, me if our new owner is a bit of a **** but with good footballing intentions:
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