Okay here is my two pennys worth.... As for ''Harry , we want you to stay'', he is definitely making mistakes. Great man manager but I agrre with those that say (PNP, lidl principally ) he doesn't rotate correctly. SAF with this squad would have won the PL. I was among those singing his praise in that game, but now I won't be so sad to see him go- I think we can go on from here without him. 2 points from 8 games when he came- what about our form at the end of last season and now this season? If we would have had 4 points from 6 games at the beginning of the season what would we be saying? As for players, I am afraid three top players are letting us down seriosly. Ledders may be finished, a legend but now it might be time to pack it in. We all saw him yesterday and he was turned too easily. Modric does not score enough- Pienaar maybe should be playing in his place. If we could get £40 million for him now I would take it. He would be huge for United as a replacement for Scholes, SAF would get the best out of him and we would cry as to why he couldn't do it for us, but unless we get a great manager, he is failing to produce his potential. Lastly- Bale. We have all said it. He needs to stay out left more. A great player and I have reckoned for some time that he could be as good as Ronaldo- but I think it has now gone to his head and he thinks he has made it and constantly comes in and shoots. He didn't shoot nearly as much when he was tearing defences apart and putting the ball in for others to score. Now he is trying to do it all himself. Finally, maybe some players are trying too hard instead of keeping it simple. Remember Harry- it is a simple game!!
Me too! Cos it's not just all about how much better our position is now than in 2008 but also 2007, 2007, 2006, 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002, 2001, 2000, 1999, 1998, 1997, 1996, 1995, 1994, 1993, 1992... You get the message. In the last thirty years Spurs have won one FA Cup and two League Cups. In my lifetime we have never troubled the top of the league and I, like most of us, was over the moon when Jol took us back into Europe through a high league finish. Also bear in mind that this league is now harder than ever before for a team like Spurs. There are at least five teams who can blow us out of the water financially every year plus one or two who bizarrely seem to have higher wage bills then us now and again (West Ham, Aston Villa in recent seasons). Spurs used to be a club which could set transfer fee records. Now those sorts of records are light-years away from what we can do. And yet still our league positions under Redknapp are the best we've have in decades. Yes he's made mistakes, yes we have blown a massive advantage over Chelsea and Arsenal and lack of financial muscle is no excuse for that in the short-term, yes Harry's media utterances are infuriating at times. But look at where we are now compared to where we have been with every Ardiles, Francis, Gross, Graham, Hoddle, Pleat, Santini, Jol, Ramos over the last twenty-odd years of chronic under-performance - and most of that was when we had more money to spend than Chelsea and Man City!
i dont understand those fellow Spurs fans that think just because we were in trouble when he came and everything he did..means he should have a job for life..relationships develop..be it for the good or worst..i cant go with this romantic notion that we owe him some kind of favour..hes been ramming 2 points from 8 games down our throats and calling us stupid..this year hes eventually found his platform with his amazing comment that getting top 4 is hard..when not long ago he was saying we are challenging etc. yeah i wont forget what he has done and all that but i do fear a small club mentality with this constant love in with Hr just because we have had some good years with him...it is like he is our jesus and we are wrong for wanting to better ourselves as a club. fact is i question all this man management rubbish too when ll he does is concentrate on the firsty 11 but very good players get ignored and only used when someone has bust a gasket. look at Pienaar..claas at Everton..we bought him he plays rubbish...returns to Everton and its raining goals and MOM awards for him.....some people try to say that he didnt fit into our system..so which numpty purchased him then...surely HR knows how Spurs play and wether a player fits. rubbish all this claim of people being disrespectable to Harry..im not bothered about Harry who hasnt filled me with confidence with the way he backtracks blames others or worst come to worst tells the fans to be fukin glad we even managed to challenge for 4th...then called us stupid...i wont forget that...he should know we as fans were complaining due to his excuses and the decline of our team...just like this year....p.s he didnt look bothered enough in yesterdays interview for me.
so when as a paying fan does one ever have the right to criticise the Management,players etc...according to you Spurf?
Let's get one thing straight. Harry Redknapp does not think all Spurs fans are stupid. On one occasion he described some fans, who were booing or whatever (can't remember the context tbh) as stupid. I mean - are people really going round with the idea in their head that Harry thinks all Spurs fans are stupid? Really? Really?
not the way you put it Lenny as in i dont cry myself to sleep but i still think it is wrong for him to have a back against the wall attitude...maybe you forget the context he said that in..to be honest it was a similar situation to this year where we looked promising and then we imploded...sorry but 35 years and counting of being a fan and paying into the club gives me more fkin right to have a moan at Spurs...than it does with the mother of my kid! and hes done it again talking up our championship credentials then a month later declaring that we will have done well to come 4th...and as a knee jerk from him he decided at this point to call as you put it 'some' of us stupid(last year)..ok we should be glad he saved us from the 2 points in 8 games scenario and be forever grateful...because we got Harry! but not me or some others..and im probably someone he reffered to as the 'stupid' ones but i dont really care as i can back it up in many ways that i was right in questioning him..for gods sake he has done it 2 seasons on the trot now yet we have the cheek to call Arsenal and City bottlers!
Dona Mara - Yes you have every right, after 35 years of paying into the club, to have a moan. But in those 35 years how often have we even had a 13-point leads over Arsenal? How often have we been battling toe-to-toe with clubs at the top end of the table? Yes Harry has to take some blame for losing the 13 point gap. But then he also has to take some credit for the fact that it was there in the first place. Jol didn't do that, Ramos didn't do that, Hoddle didn't do that etc, etc.
? Dona where did I say you couldn't? In fact if you look back at this thread I have criticised players and management myself. I am discussing the quality of the criticism not whether it should exist or not.
One sane voice seemingly emerging from a crowd of ingrates! Yet, no support for Harry! Perhaps there may be some truth in Harry taking his eye off the ball in glancing at the England job, but that is largely the fault of the FA dangling a juicy carrot in his area. It seems to me that Harry has done enough in his time at Spurs to merit better treatment now from the fans.
trust me we will never forget the 2 points from 8 games..Harry made sure we wont forget. ive supported the team when getting into the top 10 was something..does this mean i should forever be grateful? im sorry if you or others think that we should not want better from our squad..it has taken us years and alot of embarrasment to get a big strong squad..we gave it to Harry to manage..he did a job..he got us to 4th...but for me he hasnt got the nous to get us onto another level...but im not allowed to say that? really? i should forever be grateful? im thankful..but im quite happy to try to back a manager in helping us actually go toe to toe with the big boys and not just pretend only to implode when faced with the challenge.....we did it the once when we were hungry to get CL footy for the first time..but dont forget this i s a squad who was knocking on 4th's door ,for the last 3 years with Jol anyway with two 5th spot finishes..he had to go because he couldnt get us beyond that..and likweise for me HR has reached his pinnacle also..however this does not mean that woever we get will do better..what this means is HR cant do better with this squad...thanks HR i will always remebr what you did but for me it will always always be like this :- TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR FOOTBALL CLUB THE FANS THE MANAGEMENT AND PLAYERS(you know..the same ones that kiss badges but fuk off at the scent of a few more notes..or like mr Modric said..wants to join the chavs for more trophies...when we are in a better standing than them with a good squad) i call it fickle loyalty from some of us fans...ill always back anyone playing for my team...but no twat is bigger than my club.
As far as Harry helping us out, agreed we have had good results under him but can anybody who has been a long time fan of the club honestly say that there as been a better selection of players to choose from? Not in my lifetime certainly, (maybe the Hoddle, Ardiles side is close) so he SHOULD be getting good results. If you gave the squad to SAF or Wenger, they would win a title with it. What Harry really needs (if he stays) is a top class coach by his side to get the tactics right. Bond, for me, has never been associated with a top side and the whole backroom team is more an old pals act than a means to move the team on. How can we possible devise new methods on how to move forward when they are the same old Spurs ideas rehashed over and over?
sorry Spurf...think im a tad disapointed with how things have panned out and just as i endlessly back the management..i also criticise....i suppose we all have our versions of what is right and wrong in criticising......not here to have an issue with my fellow Spurs fans at all
i do give him credit and have done..but i still believe with Harry we cant go onto another level....and that is what my primary concern and wish is Lenny.
ammaar...my point is not that whoever comes in will improve us...infact yes we might go backwards even..however i dont believe we will..because we have a good squad which is not utilised...that is my shout and observation as a fan. plus going back to my point..i didnt say we would definatly improve..what i do say is that with Harry we cant go onto another level...we just cant..he hits a brick wall everytime that opportunity presents itself or has been earned....thats my point that im not happy to be content with 'oh well we were 10th once upon a time etc' i dont understand all this defending of Harry like it is disrespectful..i respect what hes done but in my life i dont like to follow blindly....dont worry Harry will be fine..he knows it..his next job and bank balance know it...however i only want my team to improve...sideways is not improvement for me and ill be damned if im going to be held to ransom just because we had 2 points from 8 games when he came...im not going to follow Harry but ill always follow my team,the mighty Spurs.
That's the problem IMO, Chirpy. It needs sorting, and it needs sorting now! All this will he, won't he, **** must be affecting the players, as well. It can't just be coincidence that our form has turned to complete **** since this Harry for England bollocks started.
well it is effecting us the fans so it is bound to effect those in close proximity with Harry on a daily basis.
not really...its more to do with doing justice for what we have created as a squad.....and being quite easily the best squad i have seen Spurs have in my lifetime..i think it would be tragic if we become content with 'trying' and nothing more. However....feels as though your trying a dab hand at wummery...almost implying that we are 'spoilt' and 'greedy'? nothing wrong with aiming high lad,as you already know because your desperate as a club to finish as high as possible.no? hope your hovering around to give a reply.
i understand all that aamaar..yes of course everyone wants their club to do well..but when the foundations have been laid and money spent...quality brought in then..im afraid im going to expect a bit more than being there to make up numbers...ive been there when we were struggling with mediocre players etc and back then id be happy with top 10 and a possible UEFA Cup slot...however...its called 'evolution' to want for a better word...and Spurs have evolved....i sure as hell know that ticket prices have evolved......and therefore the expectations have evolved and rightly so. and 'over achieving'? really is there such a term in reality? isnt that like saying 'we should know our place'? as a fan of a team the day i become content with not moving forward will be the day i pack it in...and with our resources we should be looking to move further on and not have this mentality that we were rubbish for years so should be glad to just go sideways for a few years....not when we dont need to.
