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If Rodgers was sacked right now

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  1. Stan

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    Massive turnaround from last season when the general concensus was that Rodgers was some kind of football visionary.
     
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  2. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    he's not getting near 5th without a forward purchase.
     
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  3. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    in the press..... <whistle>

    I am on record as saying "enjoy it while it lasts"

    pity your previous accounts were too cowardly to come on last year <laugh>
     
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  4. luvgonzo

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    That's bollox we enjoyed the ride but nobody that I can remember was talking such nonsense.
     
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  5. jenners04

    jenners04 I must not post porn!

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    well if you have me saying such nonsense, please post the ****er, so i can give myself a slap. doubt i have though!
     
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  6. jenners04

    jenners04 I must not post porn!

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    i know that mito., i meant from the point of view IF he managed it would people still want rid and be grateful, or have a dif opinion based on the form jan onwards?
     
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  7. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    big if but rodgers got the job based on 7th not being good enough for FSG with a pot and a final too.... well we have

    a)clear top 4
    b) southampton and west ham looking solid teams
    c) everton and spurs

    soooooo...... Big if to get 5th IMO. After 2 really poor summers i cannot see him get a third to spend in.
     
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  8. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    Personally, I think Rodgers is his own worst enemy. It's become apparent that he's playing a dangerous political game (refer to the interview with James Pearce last night) where he shifts the blame onto the committee.

    There is a lot of a*se covering going on at the club now and I think either Rodgers or the committee have to go because it's creating an unhealthy working environment.

    Also, I think he's lost the dressing room in terms of the tactics, system he's tried to adopt this system, alienating certain players, consistently picking underperforming senior players, and quick to criticise the youngsters and Mario.

    After the recent comments made by his brother, we really need to go in for De Boer and I think he's a realistic option. Quality young manager.
     
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  9. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    i think both should go.... the structure is stupid. we need a technical director... a ceo that is actually a ceo and a propoer scouting strucutre that doesn't allow aspas or balotelli DISASTERS.

    make no bones about it thats whats rodgers has bought upfront... add lambert to it and its utterly shcoking for a club aspiriing to top 4. its ridiculous and he must go.
     
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  10. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    I think we need to keep the committee but with a Sporting Director in control of them. And it;s crucial for the SD to have a good relationship with the manager.

    What makes Ajax so good is that De Boer is the Head Coach, and Overmars is the Sporting Director. Both are at a similar level so there the influence/relationship is equal.

    De Boer can come into our set up and will work with the committee because that's what he is used to. In addition, he promotes youth and is quick to drop underperforming players.
     
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  11. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Why keep this committee? Fallows has to go as well

    He's clearly too big for his boots and so for me start with a technical director and build a strong sustainable structure from that. No manager should require a root and branch cull of coaches but that's the reality not once but three times now at lfc... It's plain wrong!
     
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  12. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    For me was more important us historically he was one of the best defenders around so can he organise our defence???

    Just cos is brothers mouthy doesn't mean ****
     
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  13. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    His brother is also a coach at Ajax.

    De Boer commands respect as a result of a brilliant career but also as a manager. If memory servers correctly, I don't think Ajax had won the league since 2003 until his arrival? He came in halfway through the season and won it 4 years consecutively.

    He follows the Michel's model of total football. And agree on the defence - he builds a solid team but is flexible in attack. His name alone will attract a lot of players.
     
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  14. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    Because I don't think the committee have done all that badly if I'm honest. They've quality young players at great prices. I believe Markovic is their biggest transfer.

    Coutinho + Sturridge = £20m
    Moreno, Manquillo, Can - £25m
    Sakho may not be getting a look in but the lad is talented and plays for France which is one of the best defences in world football. That was £18m.

    There are a few duds like Aspas but no scouting team is perfect. The norm is around 50% hit/miss and I think the committee are delivering in that sense. Rodgers has control this summer and we spend £50m alone on Soton players!

    What we need is a manager/head coach who will actually play them and have faith in them.
     
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  15. luvgonzo

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    I agree. Same goes for Lucas and Suso I belive they would have a positive impact if they were played.
     
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  16. carlthejackal

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    Let's try to be as objective as we can on the manager's performance over his tenure:

    The only way we can assess whether he is CURRENTLY doing a reasonable job for his vast salary (or not) is to look at the team's position and strength when he took over and its current one. Which is better: Dalglish's or his? If his is better then he has improved the team albeit over 3 years. This team is not better than the Dalglish team.


    So what are we paying him for? Those who say that he deserves to get some slack for last season's performance, I have two words:......Luis Suarez.

    As someone said" a good manager does not become bad overnight." Absolutely correct. Unless the manager was not good in the first place and APPEARED to be good. Then when the mask/cloak is removed, his true worth is revealed. This season his performance as a manager has been truly abysmal.

    Recruitment of players this summer: 1 out of 10
    Man management: 2 out of 10
    Player selections: 2 out of 10
    Player motivation: 1 out of 10
    Dressing room harmony: 1 out 10
    tactical change during games: 2 out of 10
    Post match information to fans: 1 out of 10.

    Can anyone honestly name me one premiership manager that he is performing better than? Allardyce: no; Warnock: No; MoPo? No. Martinez? no chance

    He will be sacked. The question is when and I can see that a new manager can start improving matters: get the players motivated, improve harmony, get more tactical awareness. So act now instead of having a lame duck who is being overwhelmed by events.
     
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  17. luvgonzo

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    I agree, it's a matter of time only. I'd love him to prove me wrong but I just don't see it.
     
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  18. Diver-rat

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    He needs to be gone now. We need a new manager with a transfer window in january to bring in one good forward. No point either leaving til the end of the season....we may be in a relegation battle or till the January window has closed to appoint a new man.
     
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  19. Tobes

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    The goodwill he has built up following last season will see him through a while longer yet.

    I agree that his demise is inevtiable though, he's lost the plot and is rapidly losing the dressing room imo.
     
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  20. carlthejackal

    carlthejackal Well-Known Member

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    The argument is always who do we bring in.

    The OP "If Rodgers was to go now there is no one else available to take over and do a better job, he is the best option for us right now."

    NO. the reason for sacking a manager on many occasions is that the presence of the individual is more detrimental to the team than his absence. How many times have we seen a manager being removed to be replaced by his assistant or a coach to see an instant improvement? this happens when the player are not playing for the manager anymore, have lost all respect for him and the dressing room harmony is down in the boots. The rumour (some endorsed by Rodgers himself) is that these are happening. What about an interim manager till one is appointed permanently? the mancs did it. We could look at Gerrard as player mnager (as a Giggs) or Carragher. There must someone in the staff who can at least get us motivated and performing as a team.
     
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