I see we all have a joint opinion again I say good luck to Stoke, they are entitled to play how they wish. The authorities should still impose the rules in the same manner as they do for everyone else though
Gerrez Fair point made.. so WHAT punishment for a diving cheating T**T. And YES Huth should be banned. Did you know that the WORST thing a ref can do when he see's a player dive. A yellow card. It's not a sending off offence. That was not even a dive it was pathectic and in the words of Reverand a POOL fan who said. Suarez was DESPERATE. Yeah so all's well then. Pft
I've said for years that dives should be punished retrospectively. Ban any plauer that 100% clear cut dive. Three games for first offence, four for second, five for third and so on. Clubs will soon clamp down on their players then. Same goes for giving the referee agro or asking for a card. Id like to see this respect campaign going properly but until the referees and authorities start doing their jobs properly it wont happen!
Your language has hardened somewhat Potter. Why not say Suarez should be banned like you did Huth, why all the abuse & capital exclamations? This is exactly what we're talking about. Two players cheating, Suarez talked about like a kiddie fiddler, Huth talked about like a human being. It's just silly & immature The problem with more than a yellow card was? Sunderland match. Suarez would have been sent off for diving, oh it could have been rescinded but we'd have been a man down for a wrong call. And seriously! You think Suarez should get a red card for diving the same as for someone adjudged by the ref to have assaulted someone? There has to be some differentiation for violent conduct so if diving is a red card & 3 match ban like that dude that sits in your dug out (I wouldn't show every other coach the disrespect of using that term to describe Pulis, then what length of ban for a red card for violent conduct 6-8 matches? Fine, I'll settle for that and refs calling your team on it properly. Stoke would be fielding your under 11's by the end of the season.
Tony Pulis hasn't even bothered trying to evolve his teams into a team thats better on the deck. He has plenty of money now, he's already a millionaire from managing Stoke, why doesn't he start experimenting and trying to evolve his side? Seriously don't get why he's still plodding along with the same style thats not going to get them into a top half/european place anytime soon.
Hello? Is this the cry like little girls thread? Am I in the right place to have a strop? Grow a pair lads, or have a ****ing Justin Beaber sleep-over, if your mum will let you.....
My point was that the ref can not send off any player for blatant diving. He could and should have sent Robert Huth for an early bath, no question. Now I usually don't listen to Talksport but was driving home from Derby last night.. Some good debate on there about both Suarez and of course Huth. So Frank Why not look at these inccidents on a Monday morning and if as was proved on Sunday. Both player's went well OTT. Ban them. Has Suarez won a pen for that laughable dive, what would we be doing now Frank? I as a Stoke fan would be saying sod it. You most probably would have taken the 3pts whilst still slating Suarez yes or no? The debate went further and someone with an ounce of sense said. IF any team wins a game because of diving etc be it Ronaldo, Droga just examples no offence. The result would stand. The FA can not allow a match to re-played. In short I would have been well and truly hacked off had Lee Mason given a pen to Suarez. I was hacked off because Huth was not sent off. Frank, that is as honest as I can be. I said this on the Stoke board and I stand by it. Someone should have a word with Suarez, Brendan Rodger's, Gerrard? Same for Huth, Pulis should tell him to cut it out of his game, he has not done that. Neither it seem's has anyone at Liverpool. Some fans think we play Zero football? it's simply not true we beat a good Swansea side with ease, almost got a pt a Chelsea, in fact were the better team for a while. When I read that "Reverend a pool fan said Suarez was desperate he wants to win whatever it takes" How do you justify that Frank, you can't. We now have two sets of fans arguing the toss over something non of us (as fans) can control. The FA, the Manager's and player's can. The problem is, sadly they won't do anything as was said more than once last night on talksport. " Manager's, coaches and player's are afraid of the FA, they work under the rules of UEFA which say's it all. Idiots who know nowt about football at the highest level. And as I said, Violent conduct which I think Huth was guilty of is punishable with a red card if deemed as such by a ref. A dive as yet is not. To answer you question Frank, NO Violent conduct is worse than diving IMO. But both should be stopped ASAP. Good luck anyway
Pottermouth, were you this upset when Walters' ridiculous dive against Carragher got him pen last season?
Donga I'm not upset now Suarez did'nt even dive. That is how ridiculous it was when I saw it on Sunday.. Re Walters I did'nt see the game due to my daugher's wedding the same day. Proof? or a video showing zero contact on Walters, let's see it then. We've all seen what Suarez did so show me something I can see. Not just one oppinion. IF he did certainly take a dive like Suarez then he too is a cheating T""T So let's drop it because as I said previously, we the fans can do eff all about this. Player's/Managers and the FA could. The sooner the better.
Donga I took the time to find a link( Sept 10th 2011) and there is contact between Walters and Carragher, left arm is around Walters and he goes down.. It's harsh but I'm biased it's a penalty. Are you saying Carragher is not touching/no contact at all on Walters surly not! Some we all get from time to time, some we don't. Of course Hansen said he thought it was not. He's biased too! Sunday? Zero contact on Suarez when he went down, no pen.
There was contact on Suarez I think (not sure but the commentator said there was??) to take him down onto his knees! It was just the pathetic delayed bellyflop thing which let him down. It still wasn't a pen though even if there was some contact.
Ironic thing is, had Suarez tried to stay on his feet after the initial contact making him stumble before the belly flop, he would have probably have gotten a penalty. It would have been clear to all and sundry that he tried to stay upright but was unable to, nor was he able to gain an advantage. The referee wouldn't have had much choice at that point. The belly flop made it an easy decision for the referee IMO PS - Carragher / Walter was 100% a dive too but that was over a year ago so lets forget about it eh?
I hope Rodgers speaks to Suarez about it, I don't want to see him dive and moan so much. Problem is that his game revolves around trickery and twist and turning players, so there are always defenders lunging and kicking his ankles. He feels all that and tries to take advantage from time to time. At least he isn't a diver like Drogba, who just flings himself to the ground, despite being a big powerful player.
Michael Knightly has waded into the debate as a second for his boss. He said, "Referees have to try to stamp down on (diving)." You couldn't make it up. Thugs.
You seem to forget Stoke are not allowed kick united around or else they'll end up giving 2 pens and end up with 9 men. Chelsea have been a fairly physical side until of late. Lets see what happens if stoke pull a performance like that against Your lot and chelsea this year, it is not enough to play them, they have to try kick your lot about. Lets see what UIR and Fergie thinks IF huth stands on Nani. We know what the script will be then. Straight red. Also, lets see who is the ref is. Not Mason for sure
yep, stamping pulling kicking clattering and two footed studs up tackles ARE NOT CHEATING. Are you a complete ****** or studying to be one?
The inability of our team to break down teams like Stoke has made my dick itch for about 5 years now. It is a managers perogative to chose how his team plays, if it keeps working, they'll keep doing it. I wouldn't like to pay to watch it week in week out, but until Stoke fans start complaining I dont think it should be an issue. You put a goal past a team like Stoke, they have to attack you and then you get a game on. The fact we couln't do that is our own fault. Silly draws at anfield have cost us in the league enven under Rafa. We've had long enough to try to sort it out.
