I'm not saying they have better midfields I'm saying at the moment they possess more technical quality in those areas. Lucas is IMO one of the best midfielders of his type in the league. Gerrard is past it now IMO. Joe Allen is a good young player and probably the most technically able midfielder Liverpool have. Beyond that you have Sterling who looks to be fantastic but it's early doors. Beyond that you have Henderson, Downing and Shelvey. I personally don't feel they possess the same technical quality as the aforementioned teams.
And Suso? Sahin? Our midfield isn't where our problems lie in the slightest. They keep possession and create chance after chance. It's the front 3 that need to be sharper
It will take more than the tears of the Ancient Ones (from beyond Time and Space) to revive the fortunes of 'Pool, I'm afraid.
Because he's too old at 29 in FSGs book. I have read a lot of misinformation and utter ****e on this forum, probably as its populated by blatant wum's, but this thread well and truly takes the biscuit. Me and the lads have had a boss laugh on our Liverpool forum at some of the deluded nonsense on here. Lets talk a few FACTs. Facts that are real facts not like the hyperbolic nonsense coming from a small misinformed minority of spurs fans on here. 1) FSG have plenty of money. They are looking into selling the Red Sox for nearly a billion dollars over the winter as they believe Liverpool has much greater money making potential due to the club being a huge global brand and always in the top 5 in the world for shirts and other merchandise Theyve acknowledged that the Red Sox revenue is pretty much maxed out now. If they are able to find a buyer they will use that money to invest in players but more importantly sorting the stadium issue once and for all, although I'm told FSG are very close to announcing a redevelopment of Anfield up to 63,000 with room for an additional 4,000 seats in the future. They will also massively improve the corporate facilities which makes the real money. This will be huge for LFC in moving up the table. Where this idea has come from that were skint because Henry wouldn't over pay for a near 30 year old (although I do believe he got that one wrong however and has left us short till January) has come from I have no idea. We bid £17m for Hunterlaar and he knocked us back, We were willing to buy Leandro for £18m eventually when Inter offered him but thy wanted more and Leandro's agent was a greedy cock, and (probably through brinkmanship coz he wanted Demps) Rodger's kibosh-ed a £15m deal on deadline day for Sturridge as Rodger's only wanted to loan him but DS only wanted a permanent move. There's plenty of money there to be spent as people will see in January, they are just putting more checks and balances and criteria in after being burned badly by Comolli/Dalglish. There is also more people involved in transfer decisions now too, its not as straight-forward as Rodger's simply saying who he wants. We will defo spend between £15-20m easy on a striker in Jan if a good enough one is available if not next summer. After the real top 4 (now Chelsea are back to where they should be given their spend), LFC can spend more on players and wages than any other team because we earn more as a business (if it wasn't for having to write off $50m for Hicks Stadium plans - he was syphoning money out of the club through this means and hid it on the books as stadium development) we'd of made a round £20-30m profit last year and thats without being in the CL). However, it will be spent WISELY now and if BR thinks someone isn't worth the X amount per week they want, or a near 30 year old whose nothing uniquely special isn't worth more than a certain price, then the deal won't be done. If Inter get back onto us in Jan though and say we can have Leandro for £18-20m, then we'll do the deal as long as his personal terms are realistic. The days of LFC overspending and being mugged off like we were under Comolli are done. 2) We have got the best set of young players coming through in the league that most clubs would love to have. In 2 years time Sterling, Suso and Wisdom will be three of our best players, We've ploughed money into our Academy for five years or more now and brought in the Barcelona people to revolutionise it, and it is just starting to bare fruit. Add to this Joe Allen who is already demonstrated that he's the perfect midfielder for our system, and already looks well worth his £15m and is only going to get better, Suarez and Gerrard almost back to their best, Sahin looking a different class and Assaidi looking a surprisingly good winger, and Lucas one of the best DM's around still to comeback to the midfield, I don't see how any fair-minded, NON-PARTISAN football lover, who doesn't have a weird irrational hatred of all things LFC, can say we haven't got a decent squad, or especially that were a lot stronger than last year. It just makes you sound bitter and a little silly trying to make out our team is ****. Our central midfield of Gerrard, Sahin, Allen or Lucas when all fit and on form is as good a centre mid as any other in the league. But no, we've got, in the words of a deluded poster above, Liverpool have "no really good players" though. With the squad we have now there is no reason why we shouldn't be at least matching last years finish or above since our squad is less in quantity but much more in quality. 3) Liverpool have a luxury that even when going through bad periods like now and in the 90s, we have worked hard over the last 40-50 years to become the most successful British footy team and as a result we are still a big club with a very strong identity, reputation, and (ugghh) 'brand', we still have a massive global fan base which makes us a lot of money, especially in merch and shirts etc, and we can still sign top quality players like Sahin who we shouldn't really be able to get given our current level (the same Sahin who turned Spurs down when Madrid tried to include him in the Modric deal - and that came from a Spurs fan btw, JJetset who is widely acknowledged as the best Spurs ITK around I am reliably informed by people on a popular Spurs forum- but of course no-one on this forum has the courage to accept that, let alone admit it despite where that info came from), and we can also still command one of the most lucrative sponsorship deals (Utd are about to beat it though) for kit and kit makers in Europe. We've had a rough few years but when a club was literally HOURS away of going out of business and obtaining a 10 point deduction, whilst in the relegation zone with an incompetent dinosaur of a Manager and facing possible relegation if we lost the points, it is going to take a few years to rebuild and repair the club which was needed from top to bottom. However, things are starting to turn for the better now. We have an exciting young Manager who actually understands tactics unlike our last manager and already has us playing some wonderful pass and move footy, we have made some good signings fr a change, we have owners who have a decent amount of money to invest in the club and have eliminated almost all the debt H&G left, we have some unbelievably talented kids coming through now and will continue to for the next couple of years (Sinclair, Baio, Texiera, Nacho and Ibe) and for the first time since 2009 when we went closer to the league title than we have since we last won it, I, and many other Reds, feel genuine hope again, that there's a light at the end of the tunnel and I think by 2015-16 Brendan Rodgers will fulfill his target and have us back in the top 4.
Liverpool have a better central midfield 3 than nearly every team in the league. Lucas is one of, if not the best, defensive midfielder of his type in the league when he is fit and on top form like he was last season until his knee blew up. Joe Allen has already proved how good he is and he will only get better. If he signed for one of the real top 4 clubs this summer the media would be waxing lyrical about him. He is one of the best controlling and possession based, central midfielders in the league so far this season. Gerrard is slowly getting back to his best and is starting to score goals and be a threat again. I don't have to say what Gerrards quality is, everyone knows that. Sahin will be the best centre mid this season in the entire league. He has been a huge factor in how and why we won our last two games and is a lso a goal threat with 3 goals in his last 2 games. Spurs and Arse fans were desperate to sign him. I remember reading it across all the forums. Now he's gone to Liverpool he's magically "not even that good anyway". If he signed for Spurs there would be a different tune being sung. At the beginning of the window the majority of Spurs fans I reckon would have rather had Sahin than Dembele. I might go and find all the posts about him. Our centre mid is better than Newcastle and Evertons and probably Spurs unless Gylfi or Dempsey really go on a run of form. As someone said earlier, our midfield compared to the teams were trying to compete with isn't the problem. The problem is our lack of forward options and the dearth of goals that brings.
Actually, being a regular on this board i can say that most of the responses to the possible modric swap for sahin + cash were of the variety: "who the hell is sahin". I would take Dembele every day of the week over Sahin. Plus, the 8th, 9th and 10th days of the week too. Lucas the best? Do me a favour Joe Allen has potential and is a decent player now, but that is it.
Explain how Liverpools squad is weaker than last season? That is deluded. Our squad is much better than last season, lacks a little depth till January but just look at midfield alone were we have replaced Adam and Spearing with Allen and Sahin, and were we've replaced the cowardly Downing with either Sterling or Suso who even at their tender ages are an improvement on Downing. I don't know if your wumming but at least keep the debate realistic and not nosensical. There is no way in heaven that anyone can say Liverpools squad this season is weaker than last seasons. Spurs is though. You had 3 world classish players and you sold 2 of them. Dembele may one day become world class but he isn't yet and as good as Gylfi was for Swansea he will never be world class or as good as VDV. Thats how a squad is weakened. When you sell world class standard players and replace them with inferior players. Liverpool didn't lose one of their best and most important players in the summer either unlike Spurs, but that never gets a mention either. Agger, Skrtel, Reina, Suarez, Lucas, Gerrard all stayed which is excellent considering how **** we were last season.
Sahin was offered as a makeweight we didn't want, I do not care how the papers perceived this, Levy said cash only from the start and did not waiver from that. Sahin knew he wasn't in JM's Bernabeu plans and had to make a decision whether to play football at all this season, hence him ending up at your place at the last minute. Stop trying to make it sound like he had a wide choice of options. As for claiming him to be the best CM in the league!.... got any more jokes?
So how come he's only played a couple of times in the league? Didn't he have to wait for Shelvey (?) to be sent off to get into the team?
Suarez, Sahin, Agger, Lucas, Johnson, Gerrard would all hav an excellent chance of getting in your team. You are the most bitter and deluded person I have EVER come across and that is saying something as someone who has been around Liverpool fans for 25 years. The irony is, and many neutrals have also noted this, is that Spurs fans sound just as deluded as LFC fans to the outsiders but they have no self awareness of it. At least I can acknowledge some of our fans can be deluded. In someways its part of growing up as a Red. You have it instilled into you from a very young age that your team is always the best and always have a chance of winning a trophy no matter what. A lot of the stuff some Reds come out with they prob don't even believe themselves but its all part of the bravado of being a Liverpool fan, its part of the seige mentality dynamicof Liverpool first created by Shankly.
Haha like wise, there is not one Spurs player I'd want or think is good enough for Liverpool. Tribalism.
You must be pissed, not one of those would be wanted or get near our team. Suarez...forget it. Agger and Lucas, weak bodies that don't stand up to their role so far. Johnson... Gerrard...see Agger and Lucas.
What gap are you talking about? Is it the 6 pt gap we've opened up already or the 17pt (or whatever it was) gap from last season?
That website is owner and the horseshit on it is produced by a Jamie Kanwar who is notorious amongst reds as being a pretend LFC fan who actually hates them and likes to stick the boot in over the least little things. Put it like this, he won't ever be visiting Anfield any time in the near future he is so reviled and wanted. Id advise you not to take anything that little cumpeg writes seriously in any way at all. He knows nothing about Liverpool and hates FSG as they won't acknowledge him in anyway and don't invite him to all the things they invite the more reputable fan websites/forums staff too. A bitter, bitter man.
If you actually belive that and aren't just wumming than your opinion on fooball maters is about as useful as a condom in a convent. Everyone of those players besides Shelvey would be in Spurs first 11. Deluded like most Spurs fans it seems.
65 must be your IQ if you think Reina, Agger, Sterling, Allen and Suarez would get in our team. Unless we are suddenly allowed to field 20 players they would be bench warmers
