If anyone keeps mentioning Pardew to you now...

I don't really understand peoples thought process with stats. If you have a poor squad (which everyone knows we do) your stats are going to be poor, its not exactly rocket science.

 

Without stats how do you measure anything?

It's like boasting that I have a massive pecker when it's only 1 inch on the slack.

 

A whole inch? That IS massive!

Err,...according...to...ACS!

 

Nothing wrong with stats fella but they are meaningless in isolation. If you have a squad that is only good enough to fight relegation and you do so, would you expect to see a good set of stats? Of course not. To judge Pardew or any other manager here, you have to decide what the target is, is that realistic with the resource available, and go from there. The stats are meaningless really.

The facts are pretty simple for Pardew in 2014/15. He had Newcastle in mid table, which was as good as you could expect. He has Palace lifted from relegation to mid table which is way above what could be expected. So overall he has exceeded. In the 2nd half of last season he had the resources to do better than he did so he underachieved.

Overall though he has been managing three squads (2 with NUFC, one with Palace) which were lower table quality. So his win loss draw record is going to be poor overall.

 

Carver is dealing with the crap which Pardew left him.
The pro Pardew lovers need to remember how he left the club and of course some of his less savoury antics.
Good riddance to the pair of them is what I say.
We need to rebuild and unite once again and I for one can't wait for the final whistle at West Ham.

 

This is the only stick to beat him with for me.

 

22 points in a 12 month period is rock bottom form.
In any division.
Pardew's last year in charge cannot be blamed on having poor players.
We had a mid table team and he delivered 22 points.
Would any other manager keep their job?
He's gone now and so to Ashley we turn.

 

We certainly did not have a mid table squad

 

But we didn' have a squad capable of picking up only 22 points. Pardew's last "feast' period came about through injuries/suspensions (can't remember which) forcing him to change the team to the way the fans had been wanting for weeks previously.

 

I agree as I said above. He underachieved in the 1st half of the year. He allowed Cabayes departure to completely derail the season. He allowed the players to give up. He was never great under the pump. However he overachieved in the first half of this season. If he hadn't of lost Obertan and Aarons when they were flying, who knows.

Ignoring all the smoke, we have had a lower half of the table team for most of the period. That is where we have operated in terms of results. You can't take it year by year for me. You take it season by season otherwise you are picking sections to suit. On a season by season basis over his reign, he did ok.

 

I liked Pardew's hair.

 

Agree with this. He did no better or worse than the squad he had in the last two years. While there were a few good performers in there at times and some good results we never had the consistency needed to push on. We have often been weak in defence and he never seemed able to address that problem - for our position in the league we conceded more goals than the surrounding teams and this is something we are still guilty of. Problem is we cant score any now!. Pardew was under pressure when the results were poor, as any manager should be. If we had been consistently showing mid-table form (i.e. a few wins, a few losses a few draws) throughout 2013 and 2014 he probably wouldn't have been. The PardewOut campaign was embarrassing but it was noticeable that it had died a death by the time he left as results during later 2014 suddenly picked up. He didn't leave because he was hounded out. He left because he a) got a better financial offer to manage his alma mater b) knew he would have less pressure to perform, c) saw the writing on the wall from the previous season (and knew that Ashley would take the low cost option in January as he thought PL safety was ensured).
We wasted our transfer money in Summer last year. Pardew was at fault for not insisting we address the problems in defence before we start buying midfielders and forwards. We spent UKP37.9million last summer and the only defender we got to use this season was Janmaat. We spent UKP25.9million on forwards that have contributed 8 goals between them. Presumably we have also been paying Facundo Ferrerya a salary for doing whatever he does.
In a way it is nice that Ashley has a problem now of his own making. He has consistently chosen the low cost-low risk option for the club and it has now backfired on him. Hopefully we have reached the watershed. If we do escape relegation he must realise he cannot continue with this policy as it will eventually backfire and lose him his precious PL money. If we get relegated suddenly the attendance receipts become the major income source and he has no choice but to either spend to get back up and keep the fans onside or sell up at a loss.

 

Whats a less savoury stick?? Celery??

 

I liked the way he stood in the technical area drawing pictures of knobbs in his little notebook

 

Succinct and a much more realistic view of how things have transpired. People like to point to people like Obertan as Pardew signings. The reality is the vast majority of our money has been wasted by whoever was in charge of transfers, which was not Pardew. I assume it was Penfold last summer?? I will hold off blaming Carr because although I doubt his much vaunted scouting ability being as good as some suggest, I don't know what his remit is. Maybe he has recommended a load of non French C internationals who'd be better suited but we have gone a cheaper route.

At the end of the day this is all one mans doing - Ashley. He may not make the day to day decisions, but he appointed the men who do.

The comical thing is the money which was spent on Riviere and Ferrerya. Take that money and spent it on centre backs, we have a very different season. We'd be no worse off attacking wise. Then you have the Santon and Mbiwa scenario...

 

Recruitment should focus on young players in the lower leagues over here. There are gems out there far better than the ****e we sign.

 

I just look at Riviere and despair. There is no excuse for that ****. I knew enough to know he was ****e. I thought "ah give him a chance" but he's worse than I thought

 

I heard him linked with us and cringed. Monaco let him go for a reason. When you think of the hungry players in the lower leagues that would kill for a chance in the PL. They would show a lot more fight. Ability wise they would be far better. We paid £6 million for that bag of **** Riviere. Shell out £12 million, we could have had someone like Jordan Rhodes. Far, far, far better.