Are you saying the Liverpool fans didn't push and crush people at the front of the exterior gates? You keep avoiding the question ........ answer that and I'll answer yours.
Can't you hold a discussion without resorting to continuously asking the same question? Is your command of the English language not any better than spouting the same inconsequential rubbish? Only asking
We'll be fine now I reckon mate. Just waiting for the next twist, Don't want the last game to be **** ya pants Sunday, I want a carnival atmosphere. Like you said, it's in our hands.
If you read pages 42-44, a summary of the report you claim to base your reasoned opinion on, you'll see the cause of the incident was anything but leveled at the fans. As the historic case shows, even taken independently from all the evidence that is actually presented, it cannot be attributed to "scumbag Liverpool supporters" that people were crushed, not at all in fact. The design of the stand and strategy of police and stewards was the cause of both incidents, and that is abundantly outlined. So, unless you're saying that all the evidence in both reports is bullshit, and you know best (despite not having been there, and clearly not having read the various available reports in any sufficient detail to actually grasp what happened), , then you have to concede that whether pushing happened or not, it was clearly outwith fan's control to prevent the loss of life.
Look mate, you shoved the Football Factory **** in for no good reason. I've pulled you on it and you don't have the bollocks to admit it was nonsense ........ stop squirming, it's embarrassing.
The police sent them all to Leppings Lane regardless of where their tickets were for. The crush was inevitable due to the incompetence of those in charge. The gate had to be opened or people would have been killed outside. The big **** up however was the failure to shut off the central pen. Again down to policing & stewarding.
I really doubt it mate. I reckon we'll stay up by a point or even goal difference ............ there'll be a lot of people with radios glued to their ears against Swansea.
I agree with almost all of that and have never said any different. However, you can't just pull the bits our of the Taylor Report that you agree with and dismiss the rest. He also stated that some of the Liverpool supporters were drunken/ticketless/irresponsible and contributed to the problem. I'm not saying they're totally to blame, and never have, but they had their part to play. The crush was inevitable but there had been crushes at that ground before which didn't escalate in that way.
He's doing what everyone does ......... pick out a few lines, out of context, that suit your argument and ignore anything that disagrees. As I've just mentioned to Billy, 'The report stated that some of the Liverpool supporters were drunken/ticketless/irresponsible and contributed to the problem.' You can't just cherry-pick the bits you like.
No, I obviously wasted my time reading a report and then summarised the parts that have direct relevance to the debate at hand for the lazy bums of this board for no reason What was I thinking... Obviously the zero evidence you and Smug could rustle up between you to support your frankly original and genius stance wins every time
No, what you did was pick out a few lines, from an extensive report, that suit you. Once again, are you saying the Liverpool didn't push? Any answer?
Don't see the the argument here, 96 innocent people died, 1000's didn't and many of them pushed and many of them were pushed, but nobody is attacking the innocent here. The police were out of order, made some stupid decisions and tried to cover it up, and quite rightly it's being investigated, however, there were many drunken idiots who pushed and survived, why are those people immune to being addressed in regards to this tragedy. We're all responsible for our own actions after all, we're not sheep even if some that day behaved like one.
No, no it doesn't... Read page 42-44... Within the lines of investigation was whether alcohol was in anyway linked to the net result. Answer, and I hate to spoil the ending for you here mate, was NO. What it does say is that a large group of fans were herded inappropriately, and en masse, into a pen that was too small for them, causing a crush. Keep making stuff up
Are you saying the Liverpool fans didn't push and crush people at the front of the exterior gates? You keep avoiding the question ........ answer that and I'll answer yours.
I think your mistaking me for someone, you are not my mate and you haven't got the intelligence to pull me about anything. I am not sure you have the ability to understand my post, but If you had bothered to read it, instead of displaying your usual conceited paranoia you might realise that it was a general observation about the despicable comments made on football forums. Just one more thing before I go and watch my grass grow, you proudly stated on this forum a while back that you would be running around Sunderland hunting out away supporters to batter them (I can't be bothered to search your posts to find it) How old did you say you were?
Spot on, you'd think that anything that doesn't absolve every single Liverpool supporter from all blame is blasphemy. As you, and Justice Taylor, said, "... there were drunken idiots who pushed, why are those people immune to being addressed in regards to this tragedy." And why has never one Liverpool supporter said, "Yes, I regret my actions on that day."
I didn't pick it from the Taylor report, I took it from the latest one. The coroners verdict stemming from the Taylor report is irrelevant as it has been quashed.
