I don't think Moyes will be our manager next season...

Lets be fair on Moyes and his system to suit his players....

He has had 11years to buy and develop players for his system. It has always been 451 and he will never change.

 

So you don't think the style of play has changed from say 2004 then Phil?

Come on mate, there's no comparison to the football we're playing now & the reason for the change is that we've now got better players, players that Moyes has bought, with money that Moyes generated.

If you want to willingly swap Moyes for a blert like Martinez then you're off you head mate, sorry.

 

We play the same way. One up front!

Just because the players have changed. Well a team of Carsley and Bent we finished 4th. Was that not a good side organised not to lose, we are the same now. Why have 10th men defending a corner to allow the opposition to fill our box and struggle to get relief, ball comes straight back. It happened 10 times yesterday.

 

the things i dont like about moyes is he sets up not to lose first, im sick of losing points from winnin positions because his arse goes and he shuts up shop from about 67 minutes, then the opposition just pile on the pressure and he'll take the outlet off.
i dont understand why we have everyone back for corners either, it just compounds the pressure and pushes the defence deeper,
and his mysterious obsession with phil 'touch like ian huntley' neville

but as someone who had a season ticket under walter smith and mike walker i remember the really bad old days, when john collins stringin 3 passes together got him motm in a 4-1 home beatin by sheff wed. when gareth farrelly was our midfield general. and lets not forget the signings of madar etc

so i reckon we keep him as our manager as lond as he wants, this wont be a popular opinion but i say sell fellaini while we can get 30+ mil for him, like we should have sold heits last summer. then use the money to get that fer, and 2-3 others which will mean a stronger squad.

that jelavic is lookin like a bit of a flash in the pan, to me hes lazy, to willin to just give up and look for the freekick when under pressure and hasnt got the fight in him that the likes of pienaar baines and ossie have

 

I don't get why some fans are that unhappy with Moyes, I really can't thing of a manager I think would do much better with the resources he has had. Rivalry aside, you have a solid team at the moment capable of beating anyone in the league, and Moyes is responsible for that.

I also don't understand the Martinez hype either. When we got BR in I was over the moon, not because I rate him, but because he wasn't Roberto Martinez. He has not done anything with Wigan, just maintained a status quo.

Wigan, when Bruce left, were looking like a good side, OK he has had limited funds but I would still expect him to make progress. Everton are a big club and should be able to draw a better manager than him.

 

I cant see why you were happy with Brendan Rodgers Instead of Martinez tbh? BR did nothing with Swansea but carry on what Martinez and Sousa did before him he was a disaster at Reading and Watford I think It was aswell?? If Martinez has done nothing then what has BR done? He's not Improved Liverpool at all the table and nothing else to play for shows that...KD's Liverpool played just as well at times and beat top 10 teams more often then got to 2 cup finals winning one of them?

TBH If anything If Moyes does walk I'm chuffed to bits Brendan Rodgers Is not available to bullshit his way Into EFC

As you can see I rate BR highly lol

 

Behave yourself.

We used to play with a back line that camped on the edge of it's own box & our only hope of scoring was generally a set piece.

We now play expansive attacking football. I remember seeing a stat back in November that we'd had more goal attempts than any other side in Europe to that point. So there's no comparison to how we used to set up & play, despite only having 1 recognised striker in the starting XI (which is how the vast majority of other sides line up in 2013 btw).

I've never understood the corner thing either though, as when you win the ball you've got no outlet? Again though, plenty of other sides now use that same tactic, I hate it, but it's not reason enough to make a case against Moyes & our playing style.

 

I think we're in better shape this year than with Kenny, even with the cup win.

Personal errors from players like Reina and Skrtel are responsible in the main for where we are - we've dropped a lot of points from winning positions (think yourselves, Arsenal, City x2, United) and are prone to the odd freak result (think West Brom - most one sided 2-0 loss I've ever seen).

Far more goals this year, second highest clean sheets despite our interesting, at times, defending... After our awful start we're 3 points behind you and 5 behind Arsenal... To me that shows potential.

Just have to keep going.

 

TBH you look much better going forward than last year tho...We are quite similar at the moment on our days Very good starting 11's that could get a result against the best but on our off days unfortunately bloody poor we have lost 19 points from leading positions this season
I don't think you lot would be far off 19 points lost from winning positions either?

 

Its about time to change the manager , so the new manager can win a few silver wares .

 

if moyes in 11 years couldnt win silverware what manager do you think we could get who can? on that budget? i dont even think jose the special case could win trophys with one hand effectively tied behind his back

think on it

 

Pretty sure Jose could, but that's not ever going to happen.

I want to in trophies as much as the next guy but not at the expense of being a mid table side for the next how ever many years or even worse.

 

We are a mid table side now!!

How long is it since we last made the Europa? If you don't get something at seasons end we are no better another mid table sides like stoke. Okay we okay nice football which is good to watch....but I would rather grind out results and win something.

 

Phil, here's our league finishes in the decade before Moyes arrival;


1992-93 42 7 6 8 26 27 8 2 11 27 28 -2 53 13th
1993-94 42 8 4 9 26 30 4 4 13 16 33 -21 44 17th
1994-95 42 8 9 4 31 23 3 8 10 13 28 -7 50 15th
1995-96 38 10 5 4 35 19 7 5 7 29 25 +20 61 6th
1996-97 38 7 4 8 24 22 3 8 8 20 35 -13 42 15th
1997-98 38 7 5 7 25 27 2 8 9 16 29 -15 40 17th
1998-99 38 6 8 5 22 12 5 2 12 20 35 -7 43 14th
1999-2k 38 7 9 3 36 19 5 5 9 23 28 +12 50 13th
2000-01 38 6 8 5 29 27 5 1 13 16 32 -14 42 16th
2001-02 38 8 4 7 26 23 3 6 10 19 34 -12 43 15th

& here's our league finishes in the decade since;

2002-03 38 11 5 3 28 19 6 3 10 20 30 -1 59 7th
2003-04 38 8 5 6 27 20 1 7 11 18 37 -12 39 17th
2004-05 38 12 2 5 24 15 6 5 8 21 31 -1 61 4th
2005-06 38 8 4 7 22 22 6 4 9 12 27 -15 50 11th
2006-07 38 11 4 4 33 17 4 9 6 19 19 +16 58 6th
2007-08 38 11 4 4 34 17 8 4 7 21 16 +22 65 5th
2008-09 38 8 6 5 31 20 9 6 4 24 17 +18 63 5th
2009-10 38 11 6 2 35 21 5 7 7 25 28 +11 61 8th
2010-11 38 9 7 3 31 23 4 8 7 20 22 +6 54 7th
2011-12 38 10 3 6 28 15 5 8 6 22 25 +10 56 7th

Spot the difference?

Moyes is solely responsible for raising the expectation levels since his arrival & all on a budget of £10M net.

Many Blues harp on about the 80's but appear to mentally blocked out the entire 90's, aside from 1 year under Big Joe.......

The phrase 'careful what you wish for' has never been more apt.

 

Without winning or finishing top four EL spot we are no better than stoke.

 

Stoke have spent £70M net in the last 5 years, so they've massively outspent us.....

Without Moyes I doubt we'd be anywhere near Stoke......

 

Stoke had to spend big because they were just not big enough to survive. Plus I don't go into NET as a measure of success. Moyes has been lucky to sell two players for big money and he has also spent big. One player was developed pre moyes (rooney) and lescott was priced so high due to it being city!

 

Stoke have averaged a net spend of £15M per season, they're not spending to survive at all, they're an established PL side now.

Moyes had the advantage of the Rooney cash, but even if you add that to his £10M net spend he's only had £37M in a decade. He bought & developed Lescott himself, so you can't write that off as 'luck'. Every other penny of the money he's spent he's generated himself, from player trading.

I thought you were brighter than this tbh.

 

A more important figure than net spend on transfer is actually the wage bill and Everton's is significantly lower than the sides that are currently above you in the table and many of those below you.
Here's a good table that shows how well you've done with your budget:

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Moyes is a very good manager. If he leaves in the summer, then he'll walk into another good job.

 

That graph shows perfectly how he out performs his budget.

In the last 6 years there's only 1 side who imo, we could have expected to finish ahead of & that's Newcastle last season.

If PJS would like to come back with anyone else who's finished ahead of us, that he thinks we should have out performed in that timeframe, then I'm all ears.