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Hull midfielder Jake Livermore set to escape Ban

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  1. Citygirl

    Citygirl Well-Known Member

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    Jake is our player and needs our support . On reflection he probably knows that he has been given a great second chance and needs to take it . Hopefully he can now put this episode behind him .Welcome back Jake , now do the business on the pitch .
     
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    A defibrillator.
     
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    You must go to some great parties!:eek::eek:
     
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    Wednesday fans will be all over this, look how they rejoiced at the death of Billy Sharps new born.
     
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    If I read every post of every thread, then I'd be on about page 300 of the transfer list!
     
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    What do you mean, WADA won't win? If they appeal something, it's because they categorically know they will win. They're the World Anti-Doping Agency FFS.
     
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  10. ellewoods

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    The FA is allowed discretion in their decisions, they wont win an appeal, so in your theory they wont even appeal.
     
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  11. tigerscanada

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    The Mirror article stated "WADA are said to be unhappy". They didn't quote any statement from any WADA spokesperson.
    I haven't seen anything coming out of WADA stating they are considering appealing the decision of the FA.
    WADA should be aware of the FA's rigorous process & their level of discretion in their decision making guidelines.
    WADA would be foolhardy to appeal the FA decision given it would indicate a lack of due-diligence on their part of the FA's procedures and " extreme mitigating circumstances" clauses. They won't challenge the decision.
    In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the FA consulted with WADA during the process just passed..It may partially explain why the whole thing took so long to come to a conclusion.
     
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  12. SydneyTiger14

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    FA isn't allowed discretion in their decisions. If WADA thinks that someone has not been properly dealt with for breaching WADA's code, they'll appeal. In Australia WADA is appealling ASADA's decision against the Essendon Bombers for the same reason.
     
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    Have WADA officially stated they are appealing the Livermore case ?
     
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  14. SydneyTiger14

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    Nope. As I said above I would think they would consider their options, as they're unlikely to challenge unless they're going to be successful. If they deem they won't be successful in this case, I would suspect they'll alter their guidelines and rules.
     
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    Or accept the FA's decision as a reasonable judgement given the evidence/facts in this case.
     
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  16. SydneyTiger14

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    They may well do that, but I'd be very surprised if they just smile and nod and go along with it, since Livermore took a prohibited substance on a matchday. We have to remember there is a big distinction between failing a test on a match day and in the off-season. Matchday failure is meant to result in a blanket 2-year ban, so 4 months time served and a suspended sentence will likely not be deemed appropriate by WADA, regardless of context.
     
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  17. tigerscanada

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    So you don't think WADA has any discretion within their own rules/governing bodies in determining what constitutes mitigating/extenuating circumstances ?
    I don't know anything about the Oz case you mentioned they are contesting. Are the circumstances the same and have mitigating circumstances been submitted by the "accused" ?
     
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  18. SydneyTiger14

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    The players in the Oz case were not aware of the substances they were injected with by the club, and ASADA could never prove that the substance they were injected with was illegal, so they found the players innocent. WADA is appealing.

    Not the same case by any means, and all along I've been pretty clear in saying WADA will only appeal if they know they will be successful. They may very well not appeal, but if they don't, I would think they'll be tightening regulations on what constitutes extenuating circumstances.
     
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    Do you think they would exclude the extenuating circumstances that surfaced in the Livermore case ?
     
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  20. SydneyTiger14

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    I'm no expert, all I'm going off is that Livermore has taken a banned substance and was found to have tested positive after a match, which is basically the most serious offence in these cases, so I would be very surprised if WADA just lets it go because of the circumstances. Whilst everyone feels for him in this tough time, it's been made pretty clear that the club was expecting him back at the start of next season at the earliest, so the decision has taken everyone a bit by surprise. As is the case in Aus, the players were cleared at the end of Pre-Season, and WADA announced they were challenging a few weeks later, and the players have played the entire season in the meantime. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened here, with Jake playing for us next month, before we hear anything from WADA.
     
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