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Match Day Thread Hull City v Rotherham

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  1. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    Good read.
    How Swansea City went from model club to desperate cautionary tale
    Stuart JamesSat 16 Feb 2019 18.26 GMT
    Chaotic transfers and incompetence at the top have put the club into a downward spiral with no obvious source of salvation

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    Swansea City’s Jay Fulton looks downcast after a missed chance against Birmingham. Photograph: John Sibley/Action Images
    As the clock ticked down on transfer deadline day last month, and chaos reigned behind the scenes at Swansea City, Connor Roberts tweeted a gif showing Milhouse, a character from The Simpsons, throwing a frisbee to himself in the park. The Wales international removed the post not long afterwards but the inference was clear: Swansea’s players were feeling every bit as disillusioned as the supporters.

    Swansea were doing what Swansea now have a reputation for doing on deadline day – shifting everything they possibly can. The same happened last August, when four players departed in the final 24 hours of business. On that occasion it was the turn of the top scorer, Oli McBurnie, to post a soon-to-be-deleted message on Twitter expressing his bemusement.

    Plenty of others felt the same. Privately, players are dismayed at the way the club is being run and feel disappointed for the manager, Graham Potter, as much as themselves. Leroy Fer, the captain, was so frustrated with the prospect of Daniel James leaving in January that – and this was before the deadline-day fiasco when the plug was pulled on the winger’s move to Leeds at the last minute – he telephoned Swansea’s American owners, Steve Kaplan and Jason Levien, to ask what was going on.

    Perhaps at this stage it is worth pointing out to anyone who has taken a break from football for the past three years that Swansea, who host Brentford in the FA Cup fifth round on Sunday, are no longer the model club they once were. Huw Jenkins, who was a hero when he presided over Swansea’s rise through the leagues, was cast as a villain by the time he resigned as chairman a fortnight ago, and the supporters trust is engaged in a bitter legal dispute with those who sold their shares to the Americans in 2016.

    As for Kaplan and Levien, it has been a disastrous two and a half seasons under their watch and the harsh reality is that the wording on the cover of the latest edition of the Swansea Oh Swansea fanzine probably sums up how the vast majority of supporters feel about them: “Get out of our club”.

    Physically, they are rarely in it. Decisions are made from the other side of the Atlantic and apart from appointing Potter, who had previously guided Ostersund from the fourth to the top tier of Swedish football, it is hard to think of much else Kaplan and Levien have got right.

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    The strategy since relegation has been cuts, cuts and more cuts. Or, to borrow the Americans’ phrase, “hard medicine”. Sixteen senior players have left and only five have arrived. When the summer transfer window closed, Potter was left with one senior central defender after two were sold on deadline day.

    Backed into a corner, Potter has relied on youngsters to such an extent that Swansea, who spent seven seasons in the top flight and were relegated from the Premier League nine months ago, are fielding a team in the Championshipthat, in terms of the age of their players, resembles that of a club operating on a shoestring in League Two.

    Before this weekend’s matches – and this is an extraordinary statistic – players aged 23 and under had racked up 17,357 minutes for Swansea in the Championship this season – the third-highest total by the 72 Football League clubs, behind Yeovil and Swindon with Crewe fourth on the list. The two other clubs relegated from the Premier League last season, West Brom and Stoke, are 65th (5,101 minutes) and 71st (2,717 minutes) respectively.

    The primary factor in all of this is that Swansea are in a dire position financially, paying the price for a wage bill that was allowed to spiral out of control over the course of several years and a series of calamitous signings during their last season in the Premier League in particular. Each party will cite mitigating circumstances but the reality is that Jenkins and the owners – not one or the other – have their fingerprints on that mess.

    It is sobering to think that the best part of £45m was wasted on Sam Clucas, Wilfried Bony and André Ayew last season, and £25m on wages, loan fees and transfer fees for Renato Sanches, Tammy Abraham and Roque Mesa. Swansea wrote off millions when they sold Clucas to Stoke in that deadline day fire sale in August. Bony was earning £4.5m a year in the Championship until a heavily subsidised loan move was agreed in January – the Ivorian had no relegation clause in his contract – while no permanent buyer could be found for Ayew last summer.

    Bony and Ayew, incidentally, were August and January deadline-day signings last season. For an image of Swansea’s approach to transfers during that turbulent campaign, picture a bloke dashing down Oxford Street as the shops prepare to close on Christmas Eve, buying the wrong present for his wife and overpaying at the same time. Then later finding out nobody else wants it.

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    Worryingly for Swansea, Ayew, who is on loan at Fenerbahce, will still have two years to run on a lucrative contract when this season is over. Borja Bastón, who was the £15.5m club-record signing until Ayew rejoined from West Ham, is also out on loan – the Spaniard has started four league games for Swansea in three years – and under contract until 2020. Jordan Ayew, Jefferson Montero and Tom Carroll, on loan at Crystal Palace, West Brom and Aston Villa respectively, also have deals that run for another 16 months. The same applies to Nathan Dyer and Kyle Naughton.

    All of which means that as much as Swansea want to press the reset button, they cannot leave the pain of their financial profligacy in the Premier League behind, and that has damaging ramifications for Potter. It is understood there is another £30m hole to fill in the summer, even allowing for a second parachute payment, and it is hard to see how selling the players listed above – if buyers can be found – would make much of a dent in that figure.

    With Swansea’s owners unwilling or unable to put any money in themselves to cover that shortfall – “We will be relentless in our determination to continually improve this club, and we have the financial resources to do so” was the dubious claim made by Kaplan and Levien after they became majority shareholders – the concern is that Potter will have to sell one or more of the youngsters who have thrived under him and played with the sort of hunger and passion that restores the faith of supporters.

    It is remarkable then that despite all this doom and gloom, the off-field distractions and the clear sense that things could get worse at Swansea before they get better, Potter continues to diligently go about his work, refusing to sound downbeat and remaining totally committed to the job that he took on last summer. He is the glue holding a broken club together.
     
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  2. dennisboothstash

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    Thanks Spes
     
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  3. look_back_in_amber

    look_back_in_amber Well-Known Member

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    So, is politics now allowed?
     
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  4. Barchullona

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    Depends if it is something the mod agrees with or not. Not a lot of consistency.
     
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  5. Barchullona

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    Still getting decent crowds though.
     
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  6. TwoWrights

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    Should be non-League, and it's only thanks to Scott Mathieson they're not. A day that will live in infamy.


    The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.
     
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  7. Quill

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    I thought this was a matchday thread, what the **** have I stumbled across?
     
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  8. TwoWrights

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    Thread expansion.


    The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.
     
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  9. originallambrettaman

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    Been a bit busy, so not been on much in the past couple of days, but if anyone can direct me to any political posts, I’ll deal with it.
     
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  10. Evington

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    Thread 'drift'
     
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  11. Bunny

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    Thread bare
     
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  12. City Man

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    I hope it continues to go titz for Swansea if they have overspunked massively (when we were both in a relegation battle 2 years ago)

    Paul Clement has been found out and wanting/

    Dan James left City cos of the shambles here and oh my Lord he's found an equally bad one down there
     
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  13. City Man

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  14. Newland Tiger

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    Thanks for at least trying to explain this , it's obviously still a very big issue for you
     
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  15. dennisboothstash

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    It’s still a big issue for lots of us
    Where Dutch has, quite rightly, more personally invested is that he did try to do something about it, and clearly saw more going on behind the scenes in terms of fans that did personally and visibly support the move.
    I have to say I regret not doing the same, although if I had then I might be more bitter too.
    Personally I did nothing much more than moan and sulk and try and get sorted out sharpish to see if we could get seats with people I went with. That was ultimately pointless as many stopped going anyway.

    It was a **** decision, implemented in a **** way, and it was **** that some fans supported it without at the very least trying to ask those affected what they thought of it.

    **** all round really
     
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  16. DMD

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    It's ironic that he implies that people affected are simply whining, yet offers little if anything but whines if ever the subject is raised.
     
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  17. City Man

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    I didn't think Derby were anything special when we played them a couple of weeks back. Milwaaaaaall underlining that tonight.
     
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  19. dennisboothstash

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    Stop whining ;)
     
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