Just for you, at 22,000 the figures work out that 4.5% could be bothered to join the group and 3.2% voted against the name change. Does this radically alter my point?
Nobody's claiming it does. If nothing else, our ballot highlights the fact the owner dare not ask all the season ticket holders the same question, which speaks volumes and the FA know it.
That wasn't correct last time either. Perhaps people care a lot, but don't see Greenpeace as the solution.
You really are quite special aren't you; your level of hypocrisy rises by the hour. When it suits your argument you feel perfectly easy in making that claim against HCST - folk are pointing out short comings, not complaining - yet when I do exactly that in relation to your pet project you scream like a tart. Comedy Gold and then some.
Ah Mr Pedantic, but the point made still stands, those who join get counted. As in our case two groups the OSC and the HCST. Maybe more poeple care about the name change, one way or the other, but if they are not in either of those two groups their opinion counts for nothing.
It should not surprise anyone that those who criticise the result and the take of HCST on the results, take great care not to give HCST credit for holding an open and honest ballot - they also seem to think that the FA will believe anything put in front of them and not exercise their own judgement.
So how are those not in either group getting their point of veiw represented. Do you think they are all writing to the FA individually. Although you did once claim that one person could achieve more than an organised group. Maybe you had word with someone at the FA on their behalf.
Actually, I give full credit to HCST for their ballot. I have repeatedly said I hold their campaign in high regard. However I don't think this will help as it highlights what a small proportion of the "crowd" of fans they are actually representative of. There may well be a hidden majority who agree with them, but this poll highlights the actual numbers who have stood up to be counted by putting their money in.
Fair do's; that is clear now. The FA clearly value the opinion of the HCST, as it was the FA who approached them, so, perhaps, it should be left to them to decide the validity of opinion and how it is weighted. Time and time again it has been the few who stand and fight who win the day; collaborators on the other hand muddy the waters.
To gain an accurate figure for those in support of Hull City v Hull Tigers all Assem Allam has to do is ballot the current shareholders. Its not difficult, employ the Electoral Reform Society to conduct the ballot, tick one box out of two and sit back and await the result. In the meantime HCST and the OSC have been asked for their views and have balloted their members in support of their submissions. Until the club hold a free and fair ballot it doesn't matter if they are statistically significant because they will be the only ballots that have been held. Perhaps those who are worried about the statistical significance of the HCST ballot should try asking the club to hold their own ballot. I can see the club waiting to see how many renewals they have before announcing a ballot of next season's season ticket holders.
My concern is as it was before, the potential issues for me are not so much the FA outcome, I would hope it's a foregone conclusion, given the Allams reckon they're sticking their previous application in, it's more the opportunity for the Allams to drag it out irrespective of the outcome, using many of the points raised. I think the vote statement adds to that. These things aren't black and white, people seem intent on polarising the debate. I'm very much against the name change, and pissed off with a lot of things the Allams have done, I'm totally in favour of the fans having a voice in the Club. The problem seems to be, anyone not toeing the party line is deemed as being against them, and therefore supporting the owners.
And the scary thing is that the club are driving away those most likley to vote against Hull Tigers. And all will be left are those "its his club he can do what he wants" supporters.
Your point is valid. However, the action of joining a "group" of like minded people (especially if you pay to do so) is what gives you the mandate. Any group, not just CTID and/or HCST.
