Was there an engineering reason why they couldn't have made that stretch of road an underpass and opened up the entire Marina area to the City centre? A bridge is half arsed imo.
It isn't impossible in this day and age. Look at Crossrail. It depends on the strategic value and both determination and funding. Hull doesn't qualify.
That Radisson Blue looks like Bridgewater Place in Leeds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgewater_Place
It's simply not true that nothing's happened since St Stephens, what about the major C4DI development currently being built? please log in to view this image http://www.wykeland.co.uk/developments/c4di/ The Radisson Blu Hotel that's currently being built? please log in to view this image The building of St Stephens was aimed at regenerating the area around Ferensway, in addition to being a shopping centre, hotel, cinema and theatre, it also led to the rebuilding of the front of Paragon Interchange(something they did a brilliant job with) and now we have another large hotel opening on the old LA's site. The time for moaning about the lack of development in Hull was when it wasn't happening, not now it is. You'll always be able to point at somewhere like the Lord Line, but that site has major issues, it's owned by two different people who both want to develop the site but don't want to talk to each other. Renovating the Lord Line itself is far more expensive than knocking it down and it doesn't currently have an obvious use, it's too far out of the city centre to walk to, which makes it far less attractive a development site than Liverpool was.[/QUOTE] I have been 'moaning' as you call it for years on other websites I used to be on, as I travel the country and see progress I despair at the lack of it over the years. Lord Line was mentioned because again ideas are being put forward but I could have mentioned a hotel and casino at KC, regeneration of Anlaby Road, badly needed, and then when Hawthorn Avenue has all been but knocked down the financial plug was pulled by the Conservatives so people were left living with boarded up houses all around them. Have you been near to Vernon St area just lately where Black Dog Music, May Sum or whatever they renamed it, if you include the old Edwin Davis store and now the empty Lloyds Bank and of course the old Baileys/Co-op building, its like a ghost town. There is still meshing up against the concrete monstrosity outside of The Maltings, if its moaning then so be it but its certainly disheartening and depressing.
The original plan was to sink the road(though just at the roundabout rather than all the way past the Marina), but it was decided it was impractical... please log in to view this image Crossrail isn't really comparable, as all the stuff around the Thames is in underground tunnels and even Crossrail was hardly an easy job to get off the ground, it was first proposed in 1941.
I know it's underground, but what I meant was that the tunnelling/cutting technology is available. So would be the ability to keep out water. The above scheme looks great (the drawing does). It wouldn't be impossible. The big problem is going to be what to do with the east-west traffic, no matter what scheme gets chosen for Castle Street junction.
Actually, I think I messed that up, I think the sunken bit as shown in the picture is exactly what they are building, it was just sinking it further down near the marina that wasn't practical. They were never going to entertain building a tunnel big enough for four lanes of traffic, for such a short distance, it simply isn't practical.
Really they should have just re routed the road to turn right after Ice Arena and then go over the river in a really high loopy bridge so ships could go under it and then it could come back onto dry land on Vicky Dock somewhere Don't give me all the usual nonsense about so called "cost" and imaginary "engineering difficulties"........it would look cool and you know it!
Are they spending some money on the actual marina area to give people a reason to cross the bridge like?
There was originally a plan to have the road going straight(rather than cutting in at Smith & Nephew to join Hessle Road), it ran alongside the back of Albert Dock and was raised over the entrance to the current marina and over the entrance to the river, but it was scrapped for being too expensive(there's a plan of it somewhere).
The marina itself doesn't need any development, it's great, the Fruit area next to it is being developed, as is the C4DI site on the opposite side that I posted above... http://www.wykeland.co.uk/developments/c4di/
I agree completely. If you asked our kids (aged 5 and 7) what they want to do - 9 times out of 10 they want to go to the Marina to see the boats. They just love it on the Marina - it is a real gem of a place in Hull, only Hull would have it cut off from the rest of the city with the A63. More often than not it does come down to cost, whatever the cost in this instance it would be money really well spent. The Marina along with the Old Town should be areas of real focus.
Talking of crossrail !!! money that was destined for other areas of the country was diverted to pay for the increasing cost We are due further cutbacks in government money and I'm sure increased cutbacks to pay for the billions needed to pay for the House of Commons. There is also plans for cross rail 2 . It seems there's an endless pot of money available for anything London
You're simply expecting too much, in the current climate it's completely unrealistic to expect every site in Hull to be developed at once. There's been major investment in Ferensway, which is leading to further investment further along the street and has also improved things at the Prospect Centre. There's the bridge going to the marina, along with the redevelopment of the Fruit area and the digital hub at the far end of the site, along with the other hotel and casino further along the river. Bond Street is a mess, Kingston House and the LLoyds Bank building really need to go, something that will hopefully happen in time, but after decades of under investment, these things are obviously not going to happen overnight(the council have six offers for the site, five for redevelopment one one for demolition and rebuild, but they don't actually move out of there for another two months). The original plan was for a shopping centre built on the car park site behind King Edward Street, which would have linked to the BHS and old Co-op store and made the Edwin Davis store a far more attractive development opportunity, but they built Prinny Quay instead and messed the whole job up.
Err you seem to be forgetting we WILL be getting an ice arena and swimming pool there. TG said. Think of your hand behind the fridge...
All I want OLM is a better Hull and this stems from touring the country watching City and seeing what was being done elsewhere and nothing much happening back at home. Then some great new development would be mentioned only for it to disappear as soon as it was proposed, I watched the Humber Bridge being built from beginning to end, same with Prinny Quay and St Stephens by these days though digital cameras were around so I have photos at various stages of developments. But as other cities pressed on Hull came to a stop, there are some great building development websites to keep up to date with what is happening around the country. You yourself have posted some fabulous pictures of Hull of yester years unfortunately Hitler remodelled our city but I'm not sure we did a good job with what was a blank piece of paper to go at with the redevelopment post WW2.
