I love it when you gp to a supermarket and you can get 48 cans of lager/beer for £16 and they tell you to drink responsibly, but you have to ask yourself are they selling it responsibly at this price? I think cigarettes should be so strong your dead after smoking a thousand of them - that should help you to quit. Let them reduce the duty of cigarettes and alcohol to american standards but then we will have to get rid of the NHS and who would then treat your tumours and enlarged livers? Why should we keep the NHS to have your self induced ills paid for by people who do not smoke and live healthier lifestyles, yes lets get rid of tax on cigarettes but then we could perhaps exclude treatment for lung cancer caused by smoking, imagine no pain control. My mother in law died of lung cancer caused by smoking, I watched her die - it was not nice puking blood, panicking and this was when sedated and on morphine. Cut the duty.......you could just get what you wish for.
Iwould not bring back any tobacco products wine and spirits are a different matter. In this country for example a bottle of Chateaunuef de Pape costs about £14 and Calvados about £14 whereas in France where they are produced the costs about £7 and £ 8 respectively. This is due entirely to taxation
Hmmm....where to start? Firstly, have you been on the drink? Have you actually read what you've said? "Let them reduce the duty of cigarettes and alcohol to american standards but then we will have to get rid of the NHS and who would then treat your tumours and enlarged livers?".......so you are saying that it's the tax on tobacco which is paying for the NHS.....or to rephrase that...smokers pay for the NHS!! "Why should we keep the NHS to have your self induced ills paid for by people who do not smoke"....you just said that the smokers pay for the NHS?...doh! So Einstein,... by your reasoning,... the very people who are funding the NHS, the smokers, shouldn't get treatment.....and the non-smokers who don't fund the NHS, should? Back to the drawing board.....fool. And by the way. I've grafted my bollocks off for nearly 40 years, paying thousands of pounds national insurance tax. The NHS owes me big time!
Davros Are you sure you are not the chairman of Imperial Tobacco? You're always trying to defend the undefendable when it comes to tabs..
Just to save time and arguements, this link will take you to a thread I posted some time ago, and the rest is history, by the way 3,200 cigs, is a custom recomendation, not EUROPEAN LAW, if you buy tobacco products within the EEC, and pay the tax at point of purchase, you are entitled to bring said products into the uk, providing you are an EEC citizen, have had this arguement many times before with customs, and I always win, not had anything confiscated ever. http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/36734-Smoking This should start you off, then shut you down, these are only peoples opinions, you have yours I have mine.
Davros, the multiple tumours on your carcegenic brain are affecting your reasoning. Let them reduce the duty of cigarettes and alcohol to american standards but then we will have to get rid of the NHS and who would then treat your tumours and enlarged livers? Thats right I said "Let them reduce the duty on cigarettes" - not maintain the current levels of taxation and deny treatment, you know what I meant - but nit pick if you want Davros, you smokers are good at that. its a moot point whether denying smokers treatment would save as much money the taxes the pay, you could keep the NHS in some form to treat the genuinely ill, alternatively get rid of it, however who would insure a smoker for medical insurance? Keep on puffing mate and die soon, I've lost too many mates to lung cancer - they did not know all the facts as you do now - so if your "clever" enough to want to keep on smoking please do, however you must be among the dimmest people who walk the planet, well done.(yes I know you will say I'm dimmer than you, yes you would - but I don't smoke - never have, never will) And to glorify someone who basks in publicity associated with cigarettes well, i just don't get it, sorry I really don't.
Thought l'd pop over after seeing this site on our referringurls/stats seeing we got many visitors from here. You seem to be somewhat of a conspiracy theorist Mac? However you are far from the mark. We aim to expose the illegal/unjust tactics used against legitimate cross-border shoppers by the UKBA/HMRC. The site does not, never has and never will condone smuggling. Yourself, not being a smoker, will never have to fear being robbed by the UKBA/HMRC but many cross-border shoppers are ... whether they are above the guidelines or on them or even below them. Terrorists? ... oh dear, you really believe the security circus? The UKBA/HMRC concentrate on tobacco, it is their priority. Oh, and our recordings never hold up other passengers. You really shouldn't comment on something you clearly know absolutely nothing about.
So you creating a fuss and tying up 4 other officers will have no affect on any other aspect of the UKDA/HMRC operation? Seems like the tories are missing an opportunity to cut, cut cut here. Thought you would pop over eh, just joined today, no doubt tipped off by one of your nicotine stinking, yellow fingered cancer prone friends, step forward Davros. I'm anti smoking Mick, however I have no trouble with anyone bringing back a suitcase full of ***s or car full of wine as long as you acknowledge the possible wider consequences if everyone did it, higher taxes for all. Lets chop the duty on cigarettes - but you know what - everyone's income tax would have to rise - now why should I subsidize your cheap cigarettes or even more annoying subsidize the cigarettes of the underclass who do not work and therefore do not pay taxes(its a win win for them). This is a football forum,not a pro smoking anti UKBA/HMRC forum, Davros was ill judged to post your propaganda you tube broadcast on this site and i was ill judged to bite. There is only one type of person more opinionated than a smoker and that is an ex smoker. Just be glad I have never smoked. Carry on smoking your tax free tabs lads, but when your smoking induced tumours need cutting out go back to the country you bought the tabs in for treatment eh. Its calculated form of tax avoidance that only those well enough off to travel outside the uk regularly can enjoy, once again the rich get richer.
20 tabs cost about £1.10 here, but just been to laos, and got 200 tabs for £1.60 or 16p for 20. but the average wage for locals balances it out.
Mackemman has hit the nail right on the head over this issue...All this personal use issue, is on the whole, a load of bollocks. I dare bet that the amount of "personal use" cigarettes that end up being sold at a profit on the black market costs the UK government billions of pounds in lost tax revenue, which of course is then offset by the rest of the population having to pay more taxes.
Thanks MrRAWhite, you have paraphrased exactly the point I was trying to make. No doubt they will say they do not condone this activity - however this what the net result will be, a black market in cigarettes - I wonder what the retailers in this country will have to say about it - pressure on the government who in turn put pressure on the UKBA/HMRC who start to question people bringing in large quantities of cigarettes, who then start bleating on about their rights when they have been killing people with their smoke for years(ask Roy Castle - or the anti christ as the pro smoking group Forest refer to him as, he put passive smoking on the map). Why cannot we define personal use, say 60 cigarettes a day equals 21900 a year, so for their own personal use they should be allowed to annually bring in 22000 ***s - I do not think that is unreasonable, make it non transferable.
Mick: "is your job devoted to spreading ignorance?" This is a football forum not an tax avoidance forum, I won't talk about football on your site you don't pollute this board with tax avoiding tips.
Bet this lot didn't need cheap tabs CARLO ANCELOTTI Smoking has been a vice for Ancelotti since he took up the habit while injured as a 25-year-old Roma player. He was even reprimanded for smoking on the bench when he visited Celtic as manager of AC Milan in 2007. "Until three years ago in Italy you could smoke on the bench," he explains. "I used to like that, although I remember one time, when we were playing Ajax in the Champions League quarter-final in 2003, we scored in the last minute and Gennaro Gattuso jumps off the bench and grabs me from behind. I nearly swallowed the thing." DAVID GINOLA When David Ginola moved from Paris Saint-Germain to Newcastle in 1995, his regular post-match ciggie got him into trouble, as he told talkSPORT last year... DIEGO MARADONA Maradona had many vices during his playing career, but once retired he developed a love of cigars, no doubt cultivated by his friendship with Cuban leader Fidel Castro. His bizarre habit had an unwitting impact on Chelsea. At 7am on the day that Chelsea were playing Man United in the 2008/09 Premier League, a fire alarm went off at the Blues' Manchester hotel, leaving their players standing in the cold for 40 minutes. Although the official spokesman said the false alarm was due to a fault with the system, one of the firemen on the scene said, "It looks as though it was set off by Diego and his entourage smoking cigars on the 14th floor." Argentina manager at the time, Maradona was in Manchester watching Carlos Tevez, but as Tevez remained on the bench Diego instead saw a tired-looked Chelsea beaten 3-0 (virtually consigning Luiz Felipe Scolari to the sack. DAVID JAMES As the face of Portsmouth's anti-smoking campaign in 2008, David James felt it was time to confess his 20-a-day habit, held throughout 11 years at Watford and Liverpool. "As ludicrous as it now seems," James recalled, "I spent most of my career puffing away on ***s: after training, before matches and even on the team coach." Having given in to peer pressure when he was 15 years old, James was soon a heavy smoker. "Before I knew it I was on 20 a day of some of the strongest ***s around. Predictably, it became one of my obsessions and I stuck religiously to one brand. If someone turned up with a packet of 'light' ***s we'd paper the holes over or rip the filter off. 'Light' ***s were soft." Surprisingly, he wasn't made to stop when he signed for Liverpool. "By the time I joined Liverpool, I was quite open about my habit. I'd sit on a step with team-mates after training and puff away. I smoked in the players' lounge and on the team bus - I got away with it because the chairman did." STANLEY MATTHEWS Sir Stanley Matthews put his "smooth ball control" down to the "smoothness of Craven A," a brand of cigarette popular during World War II. The Wizard of the Dribble's generation didn't frown on smoking as long as it wasn't actually on the field, as shown by this football reporter's remarks (taken from an old Essex newspaper): "I am not anti-tobacconist, but I do not think it is at all good form for a goalkeeper to be seen smoking a cigarette in goal while the game is in progress, and for a linesman to be seen smoking a pipe. Yet both incidents occurred on Saturday at Ilford." FABIEN BARTHEZ Manchester United goalkeeper Barthez was known to enjoy a cigarette during his career in the Premier League and after leaving the field with an injury in a game away to Southampton, it must have seemed the perfect time to relax with a ***. When Southampton's manager Gordon Strachan returned to his smoke-free office after the game, the anger over his team's defeat turned to fury when he discovered an office full of stale smoke and an ashtray full of spent cigarettes, apparently a result of the Frenchman's bad habit. When asked about the rumour, a now calmer Strachan said he "must have been taken off for a smoker's cough
The problem is that nicotine is a very addictive drug, and just like any other addictive drug, users lose any sense of reasoning when it comes to getting their fix. That is why we may as well rather than continue this debate.
here endeth this thread, let the lesson be that all divisive non football topics should be assigned to their own forums otherwise we will be discussing politics, the economy and real ales!!
Who the **** are you to say that a thread ends. I see that you haven't started a single thread yourself. Is that because you're just too ****ing thick, or because you just like to go spouting drivel on other peoples threads. If you don't like non-football articles, simple....don't ****ing read them.....but plenty of people do like them, and plenty of people enjoy posting them. Debate is what it's all about....whether you agree, or disagree. Knobjockey.
