People pleading poverty who have two perfectly good kidneys...should be ineligible for benefits until they've sold one, easily sorted on the internet these days, we're not living in the Victorian times anymore...
Cheers Welly, I'll get the blame for you coming on here now! Christ all i need is Hampy to turn up within the next 2 minutes and i'll be getting a lifetime ban!
No mate, giving up a kidney that's too easy, there are drug trials they can go on for weird and wonderful new drugs that might just have the odd side effect, then go for tissue donations as well as the really hard ones whilst still alive, such as parts of the liver, lung or even the pancreas. These people get off too lightly.
NorfolkBhoy's post on the subject of Thatcher was by far the best post on this topic imo and I will leave it at that!
Yeah, but I'm sure that the pinko liberals/bleeding hearts would try to stop it...a man after my own heart nonetheless
Why don't we do drug trials on prisoners on a life term? A. If it works we get the benefit of a new drug which could make a difference to somebodies life or B. It doesn't work, we free a cell up and save the tax payer some money either way, we win!
Having not looked at the thread for a while there seem to be some sensible arguments both pro and anti Thatcher and on politics generally. For me it is simple - you may agree with nothing, something or everything that Thatcher did and your opinion is equally as valid as the next persons but to glorify her death by holding a party or trying to make "The Witch is Dead" number one or just publically bad-mouthing her when she has no opportunity to defend herself is crass, rude, unpleasant and cowardly. Treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself seems a reasonably sane policy to me - I wonder how people would feel if their death was publically celebrated regardless of their political views.
I couldn't agree more NB The sight of these 18/19 year old's on the TV who are taking part in these sick demonstrations weren't even around when Thatcher was in power! Next week I just hope that the MET Police come down hard on these nutters who are intent on causing public disorder during her funeral.
I have qualified my statements JWM. Typical Toryboy that you are you just say things without ever qualifying them. I know/why I'm talking about through experience. Yours is just rhetoric. I'm not expecting you to change your mind but you bloody started it on here.
Dave, I've got a lot of time and respect for you but I think you're on the wrong side of the argument trying to justify crass behaviour by what happened to someones parents/grandparents before they were born. I have the same lack of patience for both sides of the Irish question and just wish that people would behave decently to each other rather than use history to justify why they have the God-given right to behave badly. If you think Thacher was a terrible person then make your point by behaving with more dignity rather than you think she had, not justifying other people revelling in her death.
My view is that you have to be the biggest coward of all to have a go at somebody who can't defend themselves, these yobs (and thats all they are) are just using it as an excuse to cause mayhem and disruption.
RR My father was a train driver all of his working life and was a fairly senior official in the NUR (National Union of Railwaymen) back in the 1970s. He was a moderate who spent all his time helping and supporting his members as any good union official should. During the course of the 1970s he grew more and more disillusioned with the trades union movement and he became increasingly horrified and embarassed by some of the behaviour shown by his comrades in other unions. He recognised that the excessive wage demands and low productivity especially in the state owned industries was a recipe for disaster and he tried his hardest to persuade other union members in his union to be reasonable on wage demands. His voice fell on death ears in many quarters and in the end it drove him to ill health. In 1979 he backed Margaret Thatcher and the Conservatives for the first time after supporting Labour all his life. His Father (my grandfather) supported Labour and worked on the railways, he was vehmently opposed to the Beeching cuts of the 1960s. My dad who was once a proud trades unionist felt abandoned by the movement and he left a very bitter man. Since 1979 he never voted Labour again and I was brought up to believe that the unions through their own intransigence succeeded in alienating a large number of its membership. I lived through the 1970s and I remember those times as being very depressing with the air of decline hanging over the country. It was definately not the socialist utopia that many are trying to portray!
I'm not sure that anyone is trying to portrait a socialist utopia, but things can be changed in many ways, there is no way of knowing that her policies were the best way forward, they may have been better than the alternative at the time, but she could have implemented her policies in a more humanitarian manner and screwed less people.
