Blimey Roof, your so hard to keep up with. One minute your spouting relegation and desperation, now champions league and a top 6. Don't reach for branches out of your grasp roofy because falling into disappointment can be very hurtful. Champions League, hell of a wet dream I admit, but that's all it is. As far as I can see we're a stable premier league club capable of surprise. Generally though, at this point in our development, we play mid table football, no more no less and I'm content with that. Personally I don't look much further than the next game and this helps me enjoy the now and I am enjoying the now very much.
What I hope and what I think are two different things stumpster.I think for the first time the "" big clubs ' are so far ahead of the rest of the teams its ridiculous, it just that theyre are less of them in that small group...Chelsea and Man City..The other top teams seem to be struggling for idenity these days ..Spurs, Liverpool , ManU , Arsenal will fight for a spot with a group of newbies...if.Everton , Southampton, WestHam and such can hold theyre nerve , anything is possible.The only reason I would even consider us in any manner is we arent playing that well and look where we are....if the team ever gelled , who knows . My biggest fear is a lot of the confidence placed in Monk corner comes from 6 wins in a row...3 at the end of last season snd 3 at the start of this season...and not really a great win in the bunch. The end of November will tell a lot.
Beating Man U at Old Trafford isn't a great win? I agree that this month will give us a better idea of where we're going.
Given the comments on here and elsewhere about the Europa Cup, tearing us apart and it was partly the reason we were abysmal last season until we went out, I'm not sure how many would agree with your views. Personally I enjoyed the Europa Cup as it gave us a couple of extra way days I loved us doing well and the travel and seeing new places.(Although I have Romanian friends the trip to Pleoisti was an eye opener - fell in love with Romania.)
As far as being content with what we've got - I only get annoyed and disappointed if I think we can do better and are not performing to our abilities. Getting beaten by Chelsea is no big deal, but not beating Newcastle at home was hugely disappointing. Being a mid table team is fine if you think that's where we should be. If you think we are better than that then you're disappointed, but I don't think anybody believes we are punching above our weight at the the moment. We have 4 wins from 9 games so far in the PL this season - that's what a mid table team should be doing I think, but I have still been disappointed by more performances than I have been happy.
Manu lost because they scored less goals than we did Or We won because we scored more goals than they did. Both empiric descriptions describe the same on the surface but closer inspection one is just a clumsy way to avoid giving credit where its due. If you miss a train its because YOU missed a train, not because a train missed you.....or is it? Your meme, we didn't win because they lost can be used to refute any victory any team in any game at any time anywhere in the world has ever had, or another way of putting it Spiteful bollox. What really makes me laugh though is your assertion that it was an opportune time for US to play them. I clearly recall you, all summer predicting nothing but disaster and eventual relegation for us. Your view then, as I suggest it is now, was that we were doomed and every thing 'bad' that had happened including Marmadukes demise, the "mass exodus", our failure to sign....put any position here, was all down to our new, backstabbing, evil vampire of a manager Gary Monk. "Sell Bony", you spouted "get the money, we'll need it in the championship" you puked, and now you state that it was an opportune time for us to play ManU when they were at home, in front of a baying crowd, in the first game of the season, with a shiny manager, chomping at the bit get stuck into us, when we were being ineptly managed by bully and, according to you, were doomed to relegation. An easy win for Manu and not an opportune time for us to be playing them you predicted. So, have you had a change of heart roofy, is this a massive U turn of your disdain for Monk and our chances this season, not forgetting your little spit about the board. Or are you simply wearing a transparent veil of pretence roofy?
Got to say Roof that comment is one of the daftest things I've read here - and this board has the member of the Lunatic Fringe as a resident! Didn't go to Romania but my mate went and the only thing he liked was the bird he was shagging at the time. 'European Third World' was how he described it. Think he meant the country, not the bird.
I said before the first game of the season against Man U this was the a perfect time to play them and we had a good chance to take advantage of them,but make things up all you want .We didnt play well and it happened that they pretty well beat themselves.As for Bony , I wanted to sell Bony because we could get great money for him and he .wanted to go , we wont get that sort of money for him again .Now that Bony stayed , were paying obsene wages for Gomis and getting nothing in return.Same as Fernandez , a lot of people want Amat to start when he gets back...Doesnt Bode well for 7 million spent with big wages in tow .7 million for Fernandez and Gomis with huge wages and Id take Michu and Chico for 3 million and reasonable wages every time .if we didnt beat a very poor Leicester weed be in rough shape right now ... most know that.As for the Championship and relegation, it was a just in case thing , and still is .Thank god we have a healthy team , if we get injuries we will be in trouble... no doubt. The biggest laugh is your automatic optomism on the Leicestet win , based of a poor showing , but got the points , on the heels of bad performances without a win , with a healthy team. I hope we get 9 points from our next 3 games but think we wont get any.Hard to predict this season
Don't follow your logic at all, Roof. You wanted to sell Bony because "we could get great money for him" . Clubs who want to succeed and maintain that success don't sell their best players after one season. We're not financially in need and Bony is under contract. Who says he 'wanted to go?'. He's never said this. I believe he said if a big club came in for him then he'd go but the Club said that too so it's no secret and it applies to virtually every player in the League. Football isn't just a money making business, it's a glory business - and you don't get the glory without good players. You don't know what we'll get for Bony when he goes but you assume it's less than this summer. Another season as good as the last and we'll still have a healthy profit and had some success with him over two seasons. We're currently in negotiations with him to extend his contract, I understand. As for paying high wages to players who aren't number one that's just the way it is in the Premiership I'm afraid. Gomis was on a free by the way. You simply cannot maintain success on a shoestring in this League and Jenkins is now realising that. Yes, try and get a bargain and negotiate hard but usually you have to pay for quality. He wasn't enamoured with the idea of paying £12M for Bony but I bet he's glad he did. An absolute bargain as it turns out. I've said for a while and been shouted down that imo Fernandez will prove to be a much better asset and more reliable than Chico ever was and that's now coming true. You pay for what you get. Michu deals happen sometimes but they are few and far between.
Man utd had a great pre-season and were odds on off the scale to beat us roof. We won because we were better prepared and man utd thought it would be a formality. We won fair and square.....As for a small club or should i say unfashionable club reaching the champions league then you may be right but i would say it could be the saints if anyone....We could make a european spot as that is in our capabilities.
The only reason we are in the black is because of our buy low and sell high policy dragon, Sinclair , Allen , Davies ...not to mention manager sales. Anyone who thinks Bony didnt try his best to get to a "" big club "" in the summer is living in cloud coo coo land.Pre season is one thing daiswan, under huge pressure , out of the gate , for a big club with a new manager is another .Man U melted out of the gate as I suspected , we wete the benefactors.
Not as much as Man U lost valley imo , not sure how many times I have to say it, its like teaching a lab rat how to feed himself on here at times..lol
I must have missed the memo declaring that we mustn't win but the opposition loses the game instead , very disingenuous statement there regarding our win at Utd m you can only play whats in front of you and here's what was in front of us ,Starting 11 & subs . on reflection yes a piss poor team 1 De Gea 4 Jones 12 Smalling 42 Blackett 35 Lingard 24 Fletcher 21 Herrera 18 Young 8 Mata 14 Hernandez 10 Rooney SUBS 11 Januzaj 17 Nani 26 Kagawa 31 Fellaini 38 Keane 40 Amos 41 James
