How long do we give him ?

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Carrabuh is clearly not stupid but the irrational negativity displayed since we hit a bumpy patch is very odd yet predictable.
Some posters decide at the start of the season that we will fail and it's almost as if they would rather be proved right than lose face so they patiently lurk in the shadows waiting to pounce if we lose form.
2 back to back wins and these boards will be empty again . We are probably the best run club in this league and have no reason to panic even if the unthinkable happened and we don't go straight back first attempt.
It reminds me of Brits moaning about rain in the summer and when the sun comes out they are too bloody hot we are a nation of whinging moany arseholes and we have more than our quota on here.<cool>
 
carrabuh said:
I don't find her to be genuine (certainly not in public). She becomes uncomfortable when she gets an awkward question (her eyes roll all over the place) and plays the doting mother super fan role to avoid answering.

She has had nobody challenging her throughout her reign, or questioning her and she has never been made to answer for errors. She comes out when everything is great and hides behind the others when its not.


I think she has scant regard for opinion outside of her clique. I think she makes stupid decisions and blames others. Being religious is certainly not going to help my opinion of her and just shouts reasons to make those stupid decisions.

I NEVER said she didn't want whats best for the club (except with relation to selling where I don't think she has any intention, regardless).

What I did say is:

1. She wanted total control (despite originally say nobody should)
2. She has got plenty out of the club and is not this financial martyr that some make her out to be
3. She has made some shocking decisions throughout her time
4. I have doubts whether the restaurant makes money and is being supplemeted by the club to save face.
5. She hides when the flak is flying
6. She had no intention of selling, even when they said they were looking to sell.
7. She is manipulative and has been given a free ticket with the whole St Delia image people make of her

I certainly think the evidence is available for 1,2,3,5 & the second part of 7.

Like Delia, fine, but I cannot stand it when people think the sun shines out of her arse.
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I really should let this rest especially as other people have already shot this to pieces but hey ho!!

1) She got total control because nobody else was prepared to cough up when the Club needed money. Anybody could have loaned the Club money in times of need and took shares instead of repayment but nobody else came forward. What do you think she should have done - buy the shares and then give them away?

2) I still can't understand what ' plenty ' she has financially got out of the Club. As owner and majority shareholder she would be entitled to take money out of the Club legally but the accounts show she hasn't. This means that you are suggesting that either the accounts are false or that she is improperly taking out money both of which would be a criminal offence. She has got the shares but as you are also certain that she will never sell the Club they are, financially to her as an individual, of no benefit.

3) Yes she has but which Company or individual hasn't? You have to look at the end result and the excellent financial state etc of NCFC is well documented. Branson has started up companies that failed, Buffett lost a fortune on Tesco shares but you have to look at things overall to establish success or failure.

4) Even you concede there is no evidence of this whatsoever. The complex is question is the largest in that sector of the Clubs finances and I cannot see how the sector as a whole can produce a healthy profit if the largest component is losing money.

5) Flak from whom? When?

6) Again no proof whatsoever but why let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory. In view of the way that sales of other Clubs have gone I am glad that she is being very careful about who she sells to.

7) I get the impression that your personal contact with Delia is, shall we say, limited and your allegation of manipulation is something else you are basing on impression not personal experience. The myth of St Delia is nothing to do with NCFC but comes from her TV programmes where she has always been portrayed as the quiet efficient British housewife. That is the way she comes across and she cannot change that to suit you.

Dislike Delia, fine, but I cannot stand people who make unwarranted attacks on others based on biased impressions rather than hard facts just to try and justify a hidden agenda.
 
Yes but the point is YOU were making out she did it all for nothing. It was a big part of your defence of her. It is clearly not true!

The shares ARE of benefit because SHE got what she wanted, full control. All the previous members of the buyout (if I recall) got kicked out or fell out with her over time.

She hid behind Doncaster and the numerous other chairmans before McNally, and does so to this day. Thats the point, she's publicly unnaccountable, regardless of what happens. The one time she did have to take the brunt, we got the line (from her husband) " We DO know what we are doing you know" ( said with sheer incredulousness that the media were questioning the gruesome twoesomes decision making). This was on the day Bryan Gunn was give the job full time.

I doubt Delias is the largest portion of income through catering. I'd say matchday food brings in far more volume and mark up for units sold.

Are you seriously, and be honest, suggesting she wanted to sell when she said so?

My impression of her does not come from her bloody awful cookery shows, it comes from when talking about City, and asked questions, even slightly difficult questions about anything being run badly she reverts to superfan Delia Smith.

I certainly don't despise her as much as back then, but I'll say it again, she does not deserve the unquestioned loyalty of so many. There are so many bleating about how great she is when really she has been living off the initial takeover 2o years ago. Lets not forget she nearly bankrupted us 15 years later with her sheer single uninformed mindedness which all got forgotten about because of Paul Lambert.

Our prime financial position is not down to her, she nearly blew it, its others and one genuinely good managerial appointment (picked by someone else) in 20 years. Paul Lambert had to save this club from her mess.

The reason I am bringing this all back up is because I think she is getting involved with things she should have absolutely no say in. Picking managers, she's ****ing hopeless at it.
 
1950, I've got to hand it to you. Your post almost had me convinced... but then I realised you conveniently dodged the issue of those rolling eyes. Hmm. And then I wondered... are you Her?

Can anyone confirm whether rolling eyes under duress are evidence of witchcraft?
 
I certainly think Delia would make an interesting case for analysis.Successful,wealthy people are frequently odd.Take a look at the geezer down the A140.If you can find him of course.Oddballs,I love 'em.
 
carrabuh said:
Yes but the point is YOU were making out she did it all for nothing. It was a big part of your defence of her. It is clearly not true!

The shares ARE of benefit because SHE got what she wanted, full control. All the previous members of the buyout (if I recall) got kicked out or fell out with her over time.

She hid behind Doncaster and the numerous other chairmans before McNally, and does so to this day. Thats the point, she's publicly unnaccountable, regardless of what happens. The one time she did have to take the brunt, we got the line (from her husband) " We DO know what we are doing you know" ( said with sheer incredulousness that the media were questioning the gruesome twoesomes decision making). This was on the day Bryan Gunn was give the job full time.

I doubt Delias is the largest portion of income through catering. I'd say matchday food brings in far more volume and mark up for units sold.

Are you seriously, and be honest, suggesting she wanted to sell when she said so?

My impression of her does not come from her bloody awful cookery shows, it comes from when talking about City, and asked questions, even slightly difficult questions about anything being run badly she reverts to superfan Delia Smith.

I certainly don't despise her as much as back then, but I'll say it again, she does not deserve the unquestioned loyalty of so many. There are so many bleating about how great she is when really she has been living off the initial takeover 2o years ago. Lets not forget she nearly bankrupted us 15 years later with her sheer single uninformed mindedness which all got forgotten about because of Paul Lambert.

Our prime financial position is not down to her, she nearly blew it, its others and one genuinely good managerial appointment (picked by someone else) in 20 years. Paul Lambert had to save this club from her mess.

The reason I am bringing this all back up is because I think she is getting involved with things she should have absolutely no say in. Picking managers, she's ****ing hopeless at it.
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So still no credit for any of the positives?
This is cringeworthy, even for your standards <doh>
 
Carrabuh, the only argument in your favour is that she is undoubtedly a poor footballing businesswoman. It's quite clear how poorly the club was run for years. However, when administration came knocking, Delia made the decision to hire one of the most expensive professional football executives and it worked.

All the rest of your post about her attitude and supposed taking advantage is cynical hyperbole. She has gained very little from Norwich City that she didn't have already. And while I accept she has been careful to keep control, I'm not sure what difference it would have made if we'd been sold to a speculating billionaire. It may well have been worse.
 
Canary Rob said:
Carrabuh, the only argument in your favour is that she is undoubtedly a poor footballing businesswoman. It's quite clear how poorly the club was run for years. However, when administration came knocking, Delia made the decision to hire one of the most expensive professional football executives and it worked.

All the rest of your post about her attitude and supposed taking advantage is cynical hyperbole. She has gained very little from Norwich City that she didn't have already. And while I accept she has been careful to keep control, I'm not sure what difference it would have made if we'd been sold to a speculating billionaire. It may well have been worse.
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Excellent post Rob and really puts things straight IMO. TF came knocking at one time, but Delia and the board wouldn't meet his demands, so he took over at QPR instead. I know which club I prefer to support - all that wct past their 'sell by' date and on inflated salaries!!!
 
carrabuh said:
Yes but the point is YOU were making out she did it all for nothing. It was a big part of your defence of her. It is clearly not true!

The shares ARE of benefit because SHE got what she wanted, full control. All the previous members of the buyout (if I recall) got kicked out or fell out with her over time.

She hid behind Doncaster and the numerous other chairmans before McNally, and does so to this day. Thats the point, she's publicly unnaccountable, regardless of what happens. The one time she did have to take the brunt, we got the line (from her husband) " We DO know what we are doing you know" ( said with sheer incredulousness that the media were questioning the gruesome twoesomes decision making). This was on the day Bryan Gunn was give the job full time.

I doubt Delias is the largest portion of income through catering. I'd say matchday food brings in far more volume and mark up for units sold.

Are you seriously, and be honest, suggesting she wanted to sell when she said so?

My impression of her does not come from her bloody awful cookery shows, it comes from when talking about City, and asked questions, even slightly difficult questions about anything being run badly she reverts to superfan Delia Smith.

I certainly don't despise her as much as back then, but I'll say it again, she does not deserve the unquestioned loyalty of so many. There are so many bleating about how great she is when really she has been living off the initial takeover 2o years ago. Lets not forget she nearly bankrupted us 15 years later with her sheer single uninformed mindedness which all got forgotten about because of Paul Lambert.

Our prime financial position is not down to her, she nearly blew it, its others and one genuinely good managerial appointment (picked by someone else) in 20 years. Paul Lambert had to save this club from her mess.

The reason I am bringing this all back up is because I think she is getting involved with things she should have absolutely no say in. Picking managers, she's f**ing hopeless at it.
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If nothing else this thread has taught me that it is a waste of time arguing with you. You seem to make things up as you go along and try to state these opinions as fact. Your complete lack of knowledge about the working at Carrow Road is summed up by your implication that Doncaster and McNally were ' Chairmans ' and in trying to isolate ' Delias ' from matchday food profits. If she was responsible for the bad appointments like Doncaster then she has to take credit for the good ones like McNally. The only thing that matters is where we have ended up and the FACT that without her we would not have survived the Chase legacy.
 
1950canary said:
If nothing else this thread has taught me that it is a waste of time arguing with you.
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Now you're getting somewhere! <laugh>

I don't get this incessant 'Delia bashing' either. Yes, she's made mistakes, who hasn't? Nothing but bloody negatives, it gets me down. It serves no purpose.

We're in a vibrant position, I hate to think where we'd be without her input.
 
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