Can someone do a Poll on here (I don't know how) . Would you allow Ched Evans to be signed by HCAFC ? . I mean we do need someone who can score
I'd invite anyone to look into the facts of the case themselves, ignore social media hysterics and then make a comment. If Bruce has done this fair enough. I applaud him however for questioning the case, the vast majority will nod along with the status quo and merely accept what others say.
Doesn't change my point though, that this was never rape, if it was, since the dawn of Alcohol, men and women around the world have never been deemed to have the capibility to give consent. People hide behind "well the law is the law" are idiots, as sleeping with someone who willingly walks into a hotel out of her face at 2am in the morning is the guilty party. All these comments about how hard its been for her family blah blah blah, where was there concern for their daughter the night they watched her walk out the door in next too nothing and didn't question why she wasn't in her bed at 2am. Where was their concern for her when they should have surely taught her not to climb into cars with a stranger. Where was the moral standing as parents when they didn't raise her better at 19 not to go to hotel rooms with people she has just met? I am not damning the girl, as this is the current social world, everyone is at it, but what Brucie has done is stand up for common sense, not jumped on a bandwagon. For which you should be proud to have a guy like that at the helm!
Do we need two threads discussing the same ****? It wouldn't be too bad if on one of the threads was a discussion regarding the hypocritical stances of the self righteous idiots who are all too ready to join the moral crusade to stop Evans' legal right to be treated in the same manner as any other ex offender but are quite at ease with cheering on Phil "The Sexual Assaulter" Taylor when he's playing darts, or protecting MPs, Councillors & celebrities from facing charges & trial for sex offences dating back decades or for turning a blind eye to sexual abuse that was being carried out under their noses for decades or for holding Mike Tyson up as some sort of sporting legend or for watching Pee Wee Herman films / material post 1991 (or ever to be fair) or not speaking out when Tony Adams, Jan Molby, Lee Hughes, Luke McCormack & others were offered new footballing & sporting contracts during their rehabilitation from prison terms. The repetitive "he's innocent", "he's convicted" bollocks has been done to death & is quite honestly boring as ****. Expand your debate. The one fact that everybody must agree on is that he has been convicted of rape. Do people believe his subsequent "trial by Social Media" is right? If you believe in the legal & judicial system that convicted & sentenced him then do you also find the bullying & manipulative tactics to deny him the same legal rights as other ex offenders led by a group of hypocritical feminists as abhorrent as his crime? Those who think that he should be allowed back into football do you also believe Jonathon King should be given air time at the BBC? Should Gary Glitter have his music played by radio stations? Should Rolf Harris be offered another series of Animal Hospital upon his release from prison? Do you think Stuart Hall should be given the opportunity to be a football broadcaster using exaggerated adjectives in his summaries, when released? Have a think. At which point do your views, either way, become hypocritical?
Lets try and keep this thread to discussing Bruce. There's already the Evans thread for discussing tje case itself.
There have been enough cases in history of convictions that have been over turned or quashed for this case not to reviewed. Steve Bruce has expressed his opinion as an individual which is his and everyone's right. We can all go with the majority and behave like sheep and bleat to the populace. In the end if truth comes out, whatever that turns out to be then that is for the good. To quote Plato. Wise men speak because they have something to say. Fools speak because they have to say something. I do not consider Steve Bruce a fool. I believe him to be an honourable man.
I don't agree with what Steve Bruce says, but h Several judges have supported the guilty decision. You seem to imply that the decision of another one would carry more weight.
Steve Bruce was asked a question and he gave his view. Evans is out on licence and his profession is a football player. Steve Bruce would be in danger of being branded a hypocrite if at any point he has or does in the future employ a play with a criminal record. As for his remarks about the trial, if he is happy with what he has said then fair play. I do not think any less of a person for having a different opinion to me. Steve Bruce clearly represents his own view and not the view of the club.
No. You are wrong. If you don't 100% know it's consensual then you shouldn't be having sex with that person. If a person - whether drunk or sober - can't or doesn't vocalise that it is 100% consensual you do not have sex with them. If someone does not give you a definitive yes, you do not have sex with them. Not saying no, is not saying yes. If someone is drunk and you are not, you do not have sex with them. If you doubt someone's judgement on giving consent - for any reason - you do not have sex with them.
It turned into a witchhunt weeks ago mate. On Bruce's decision to give his opinion, is it not a really sad indictment of what our society has become with the advance of Social media and the seeming power that some of these total numpties are able to wield via their collective haranguing of anyone who they choose to be the current focus of their ire? I mean, here for example most of us are giving it the "oooh get ready fella, you'll get it now" and all the fella has done is give his considered opinion on a current issue. If we're not careful these social media dolts will wield so much power that honest people like Bruce will become too scared to open their mouths about any issue that could be preceived as even vaguely contentious. Sad times.
He's right but he's opened himself up to all the internet vigilantes like you say. I agree he shouldn't apologise either.
Okay, to say this then, would mean by your logic the majority of the nations youth are rapists. In my opinion, by going to a hotel room at 2am in the morning with a guy you have never met, is by definition a "Yes lets have sex", otherwise what was she going back there for, a game of cards. Her credibility as an upstanding high moraled young lady needs to be put into question before you can expect an unnaturally higher standard of the men in the room. But regardless of my opinion, your opinion, or anyone elses, Steve Bruce said what he said and shouldn't be villified for it. Would he have said something if Ched had dragged a poor woman walking home from work down a dark alley and attacked her, and left her broken inside and out. Yes, he would, he would deplore it, because he is a sensible man. As for Sir Cheshire, I apologise, you are right in every sense of what you said, including our banging on about it still...
Top man Brucey, finally someone with the balls to say what a lot of people were thinking. We hear the bollocks that 26,000 people have signed a petition to stop Evans playing football again, there are 56 million people in the UK so it's not many who can be arsed to sign. Most of it is moral indignation anyway.
WTF? Why is it always the womans fault with some people. Why should you expect higher standard of women than yourselves? Why do some men never take responsibility to not being able to keep their dick in their trousers or put it back in when asked. It's not ****ing rocket science. You all have a right hand* *left hand for left handed people or ambidextrous take your pick.
i just think when Bruce makes a comment on this - especially that he thinks conviction may be wrong , he is going to be quite some time in waiting to be shown to be right and a needless distraction . By all means offer the player private support , but in a press conference with sound bites and hysteria - not a clever thing to do . I realise some ppl think its an honourable thing to do , but its not helpful for the club is it .
I think you'll find that 99.99% of the male population fully understand and have no issue with "no means no" However, it appears that this simple and easily definable line has been replaced with a much more tenuous and impossible to define "yes only means yes if I choose to remember saying it, and if i can't, then you're a rapist"
