How is this allowed.
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I had a conversation only the other day, after someone wrongly used the BNP to denounce the St George Flag. To which I reminded them the St George Flag until more recently was displayed less than the Scottish and Welsh flags as the England tends to fly more usually the Union flag.
This is because Scotland and Wales have their own parliaments, whereas England is governed more centrally.
So when displays of independence are shown, I'd suggest that this less so from England, than the other two countries within Great Britain, an example being Nicola Sturgeon along with her side kick Ian Blackford, wanting Scottish Independence.
It's also noticeable how criticism is never attached to the EU flag which is displayed often more than national flags, as though it is preferred in some way over national flags and certainly displayed far more dominantly.
I accept there are right wing factions who attempt to attach themselves to our national flag, but they exist throughout the world as a whole and in England are the minority.
Yet we choose to tar the whole of England which has to be at least 80% of the UK population with the same brush. In my view it's used as a vindictive tool against law abiding citizens who may just think differently and have no association whatsoever with extreme parties.
So yes, you are right grumpygit, I'm fed up with people attacking my country, while at the same time they want their own independence. Please include me in any future Scottish referendum as a UK citizen, I'd only be too happy to help Nicola Sturgeon on her way, if that's what the Scottish people REALLY want.
I'm proud of my country, that does not make me a racist or an extremist. Everyone should be proud of their country, whether they be French, German, Spanish, Italian, Scottish, Welsh etc
In brief Sturgeon and Blackford can do one.
This is because Scotland and Wales have their own parliaments, whereas England is governed more centrally.
So when displays of independence are shown, I'd suggest that this less so from England, than the other two countries within Great Britain, an example being Nicola Sturgeon along with her side kick Ian Blackford, wanting Scottish Independence.
It's also noticeable how criticism is never attached to the EU flag which is displayed often more than national flags, as though it is preferred in some way over national flags and certainly displayed far more dominantly.
I accept there are right wing factions who attempt to attach themselves to our national flag, but they exist throughout the world as a whole and in England are the minority.
Yet we choose to tar the whole of England which has to be at least 80% of the UK population with the same brush. In my view it's used as a vindictive tool against law abiding citizens who may just think differently and have no association whatsoever with extreme parties.
So yes, you are right grumpygit, I'm fed up with people attacking my country, while at the same time they want their own independence. Please include me in any future Scottish referendum as a UK citizen, I'd only be too happy to help Nicola Sturgeon on her way, if that's what the Scottish people REALLY want.
I'm proud of my country, that does not make me a racist or an extremist. Everyone should be proud of their country, whether they be French, German, Spanish, Italian, Scottish, Welsh etc
In brief Sturgeon and Blackford can do one.
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brb most people never look beyond what they can see in front of them.
How many who voted to remain in the EU, or the so called remainers know where the EU came from.
The idea was first discussed in 1942 by Hitler and the Nazi party.
The idea was to have a federal Europe controlled by a non-elected central commission.
This is a document written in German, but translatted into English.
http://www.bilderberg.org/EWG.pdf
How many who voted to remain in the EU, or the so called remainers know where the EU came from.
The idea was first discussed in 1942 by Hitler and the Nazi party.
The idea was to have a federal Europe controlled by a non-elected central commission.
This is a document written in German, but translatted into English.
http://www.bilderberg.org/EWG.pdf
I've always been open in saying I voted Brexit. For me personally it was never about immigration or not doing trade with Europe. I simply do not believe in a one state identity, akin much the same as the USA.
I never got a vote or a single say over the European Union for 50 years, as I wasn't old enough when we joined the Common Market. My problem is not with Europe, I love all the countries within it. My issue is with Brussels and what it has morphed into since 1973. I've lived through it's evolution, and thought long before 2016 that my nationalistic/patriotic views did not mirror the path that the EU was going. Albeit I do accept some cultural changes are also due to the globalisation of corporate brands.
When two big companies want to join, they are quite rightly subject to the monopolies commision. Walmart/Sainsburys was a more recent one that springs to mind, and if I'm right, they were not allowed to merge for fear of being too dominant on the market. Yet here we are as the UK having to protect our sovereignty by negotiations with 27 Countries conjoined, in the biggest monopoly of all. They want to be a superstate, similar to America and the old Soviet Union. I don't want that, I want to keep my own national identity, but it seems in the 21st Century that is a crime to some.
Tbph, I never thought I'd live to see the day, when we would be ALLOWED to leave. Clearly the public voice was louder than I ever imagined. Although I suspect, we won't have to wait five decades as I had to, before a future vote rears its head again.
I never got a vote or a single say over the European Union for 50 years, as I wasn't old enough when we joined the Common Market. My problem is not with Europe, I love all the countries within it. My issue is with Brussels and what it has morphed into since 1973. I've lived through it's evolution, and thought long before 2016 that my nationalistic/patriotic views did not mirror the path that the EU was going. Albeit I do accept some cultural changes are also due to the globalisation of corporate brands.
When two big companies want to join, they are quite rightly subject to the monopolies commision. Walmart/Sainsburys was a more recent one that springs to mind, and if I'm right, they were not allowed to merge for fear of being too dominant on the market. Yet here we are as the UK having to protect our sovereignty by negotiations with 27 Countries conjoined, in the biggest monopoly of all. They want to be a superstate, similar to America and the old Soviet Union. I don't want that, I want to keep my own national identity, but it seems in the 21st Century that is a crime to some.
Tbph, I never thought I'd live to see the day, when we would be ALLOWED to leave. Clearly the public voice was louder than I ever imagined. Although I suspect, we won't have to wait five decades as I had to, before a future vote rears its head again.
brb - whilst I voted to 'remain' ( more for commercial reasons, rather than political ), I do agree that Brussels has interfered with UK 'sovereignty.' I could accept EU rules when it comes to 'trade' - but not with matters of internal politics and laws of the UK..... So, I have no problems with a 'monopoly' involving 27 different States with regards to trade.
I also don't have a problem with Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland - if any of them wish to 'leave' the UK.... What I do have a problem with is the UK expecting the EU to continue to give trade concessions - without wanting to be bound by the T & C that would come with full membership of the EU -- that is having your cake and eating it !.... At the same time, why the hell is the UK expected to continue to give the EU huge amounts of money long after the UK has voted to leave....... please don't tell me it's a divorce style payment - because that only goes to prove that the EU have always needed the UK more than vice versa - which is why I never wanted the UK to join the Common Market.
If Scotland, or any other UK country wants 'independence' - they need to stand on their own in ALL respects - and not expect 'alimony.' The same principle applies to the UK as regards to its' relationship outside of the EU.... but if Scotland would still expect some financial assistance / benefit from Westminster, it needs to accept the compromises that comes with a 'loss' of its' sovereignty' --- and the same type of compromises have to be made and accepted by the UK when it comes to losing some sovereignty to Brussels, in order to continue to receive favourable trading terms - and compromise by Brussels if it expects divorce money, and fishing 'rights' etc, from the UK.... it's all about compromises....
.... and compromise would be a good New Year resolution for everyone --- Happy New Year.
I also don't have a problem with Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland - if any of them wish to 'leave' the UK.... What I do have a problem with is the UK expecting the EU to continue to give trade concessions - without wanting to be bound by the T & C that would come with full membership of the EU -- that is having your cake and eating it !.... At the same time, why the hell is the UK expected to continue to give the EU huge amounts of money long after the UK has voted to leave....... please don't tell me it's a divorce style payment - because that only goes to prove that the EU have always needed the UK more than vice versa - which is why I never wanted the UK to join the Common Market.
If Scotland, or any other UK country wants 'independence' - they need to stand on their own in ALL respects - and not expect 'alimony.' The same principle applies to the UK as regards to its' relationship outside of the EU.... but if Scotland would still expect some financial assistance / benefit from Westminster, it needs to accept the compromises that comes with a 'loss' of its' sovereignty' --- and the same type of compromises have to be made and accepted by the UK when it comes to losing some sovereignty to Brussels, in order to continue to receive favourable trading terms - and compromise by Brussels if it expects divorce money, and fishing 'rights' etc, from the UK.... it's all about compromises....
.... and compromise would be a good New Year resolution for everyone --- Happy New Year.
The legal eagles seem happy with the agreement, tomorrow we wake up a free and sovereign nation.
https://lawyersforbritain.org/wp-co...-on-EU-UK-Trade-and-Cooperation-Agreement.pdf
https://lawyersforbritain.org/wp-co...-on-EU-UK-Trade-and-Cooperation-Agreement.pdf