How Do You Feel About The Direction Your Club is Goin In?

LVG is known for starting well and it all going wrong after a couple of seasons.

United 'fans' are going to have get used to the carousel of managers and bad buys before they get it right again

 

Poor wumming from a ******ed ****. Must try harder...

The reality is that ferguson was the exception to the rule. managers will come and go like in any club. No sane united fan will expect anything different

 

No one questions Barca or Real for spending big money or signing big name players. In fact no one questions Chelsea or City for spunking **** loads of money on players, simply because they have very rich owners.

United are in a bracket of three with Real and Barca when it comes to the biggest clubs in the world and are light years ahead of City and Chelsea when it comes to size, history and stature.

United have every right to be signing the likes of Di Maria and Falcao. People aren't used to it and it doesn't sit comfortably with them as a big spending United has the potential to blow the small clubs with rich owners out of the water.

 

Pretty much.

Same way for all the big clubs really - since Chelsea started throwing money at anything with a pulse in 2003, pretty much no clubs have brought through players from youth to regular first team slots. Sterling at Liverpool, Evans at Utd, and Gibbs and Wilshere at Arsenal are about it. Szcesny and Rafael have done pretty well too, having not played first team football before joining, and Januzaj has a chance to make it at Utd.

Young players are overhyped and then dropped without being given a full run, even if they are doing pretty well because the pressure is so high. Welbeck could have gone on to develop really well for us after a good first season, but the pressure to win the title meant in comes RVP, and he loses game time. Same with Cleverley, Jenkinson, MacEachran, Bertrand, Carlton Cole, Shawcross, Tom Lawrence etc. Promising youth players who often get some playing time, but as soon as they struggle a bit a replacement comes in. Makes you wonder if Beckham, Neville et al would actually have been given the game time they needed to develop if they'd emerged today.

Liverpool were hyping Flanagan as the next Cafu last season, now they have bought two players to replace him. It's no wonder Southampton and others are the ones bringing the young talent through now, they are the only ones who give them game time. Utd just held out against the inevitable that much longer than everyone else, thanks largely to SAF.

 

Got to hand it to Man U they've spent well and probably stopped the rot. Top 10 finish nailed on, probably 6th or 7th.

 

Bet that really over worked the brain cells Imaz. You had better go for a lie down

 

Cafu himself was touting him as the next Cafu

#redcafu I believe the hashtag he used to describe Flanno

You seriously think we arent developing young talent? I dont think you do, come on, be honest. Or just look at the facts

 

The question is a good one...How Do You Feel About The Direction Your Club is Going In?

Honest answer is that I've got to an age where I've realised the only thing I want to see is United playing well and in the manner befitting of the club I've supported most of my life. The rest of the stuff I felt passionately about I'm feeling less interested in.... because I don't think those things are valued any more. (Oh and the other thing I want to see is Liverpool never winning another league title in my lifetime lol).

Maybe it's because Fergie had been around so long that as fans we got used to the way things were done at United. The way we bought players, but more importantly the type of player & person we bought (something that is being missed here) reflected the ethos of the club. An ethos that Fergie had created. The price was immaterial (it's a glaring myth that we didn't splash the cash - ofcourse we did). What was more important was personality, character, workrate as much as ability. You get used to that. You think back to Fergie's clearout which included McGrath who was a fcking excellent defender, but didn't have the mentality Fergie wanted. Then you think of the way he got rid of Beckham. Then you think about those Fergie considered as having the right minerals...Roy Keane, Cantona, Bruce, Irwin, Scholes, Giggs etc.

You can only really do that if you're there long enough. Wenger, although maybe wrong, has instilled his own ethos at Arsenal. He IS the club because the fckers been there so long you know Arsenal's philosophy of football, both on and off the pitch. Compare that to Chelsea. How many managers have they had??? What is there club philosophy??? Everytime there's a manager change, half the players get pissed off, or fail, or get shipped out. Perenial "flavours of the month". Stalwarts at Chelsea like Terry and Lampard are a dying breed. Remnants of a bygone era changing fast. What happens when they've gone? City is an artificial collection of players with no real soul for the club they play for. Don't get me wrong, the day Arsene leaves - good or bad - Arsenal may very well follow suit. Rogers at Liverpool has the potential to establish a long term philosophy and preserve something IF he remains there long enough. But don't be under any false illusion, eventually they'll go the same way.

Having 2 managers in such a short period of time at United has brought the same reality to the club when it comes to transfers. If LVG leaves tomorrow, what will happen to these players when the next guy comes in? We have to face the reality, the next guy may not like them, or they may not like him. Whether they like the club will mean very little. How much will we need to spend again? I don't think the likes of Falcao, Di Maria or even Mata (all of who I think are real quality) understand the club they're playing for. That's not say they're mercenaries, they're not. But the players, manager and Chief Exec just seem that much more detached from the club we've known for so long.

 

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Nice balanced post Treble, not for the first time you speak sense and its nice to see an intelligent response rather than the nonsense supplied by Wear

 

man united are on the way down again, they have put all their eggs into LVG's inside out basket, in a month or so its going to start dawning on the glory hunters that they have a load of overpaid duds who dont work in LVG's system, that they wont be getting champions league football yet again, and they will have to start looking for glory at another club

its not unforeseeable that Everton could take over Man U in the next 5 years, and how Moyes will laugh

 

Did you mean "overtake" ? FFS it has come to something when you have to teach the slow ******ed would be wums how to do it..

Of course it does help the wumming if one writes some intelligible English

 

Please enlighten us oh wise one, what is LVG`s prefered system?

 

Great answer, our 2 clubs have been at each others throats for many years and long may that continue. I've enjoyed the so far very short demise of Utd and will hope that it continues for a little while at least but what I want more than anything is Liverpool at the top of the league with Utd falling short in 2nd place snapping at our heels. This seems unlikely at this point but as always I'll believe until the maths say otherwise.

I dislike the so called money clubs (a debate in itself) and hope that football and football clubs will win this battle, clubs that build from within and take pride in developing youngsters into the elite of football.

It's going to be an interesting season I can't wish you luck but I do hope our rivalry has the meaning it deserves in our upcoming matches.

 

You sheep shagging north welsh mountain dweller.

 

I think this summer could very well be a one off. Over the years Utd have bought players who have made rivals sit up and take notice, usually one a year, along with the odd 'lesser light'. But over the last few years, baring RVP, nobody thought Utd meant business when they had bought the likes of Valencia, Smalling, Jones or even Hernandez. Even when Utd got Mata, I think a lot of people thought 'surplus to requirements at Chelsea' not 'that's a great buy, I cant believe Utd got him from Chelsea'. Utd only got Mata, because Mourinho didn't want him. And lets face it, nobody sat up and took notice when Utd signed Fellaini.
As for Utd bringing through the youth players from the academy, there haven't been many over the last few years that have actually done anything to make the manager want to put them in the first team on a regular basis.

And for the record, Luv, I don't think you are a wum.

 

I think you're developing young talent, but not all that successfully imo.

Apart from Sterling, who have Liverpool brought through from their youth team to be a significant fixture in the first team squad since Michael Owen?

It's not a criticism of Liverpool specifically, just a symptom of the whole PL at the moment. More competition for the top spots, and greater financial rewards from Europe, mean that all the bigger clubs are less willing to take a risk and rely on youth. That, and no manager seems to have the confidence and ability of SAF to trust young players in the first team even if they aren't at the top level yet.

 

Add to that Owen was ruined as a player by playing far too many games as a teen. SAF and Wengar, two of the most successful managers in the prem maintained that you should not play youngsters week in week out, as it causes far too many problems for the future. This was based on teens whose bone structure is still developing, and can cause untold harm to the player. Both managers used their younger players with caution, maybe as a sub one week, then in the team next week, then on the bench again. In Owen's case, he was played week in week out, which led to his injuries later.

Wenger also came up with the philosophy of the importance or regular dentist check for his players, as teeth , especially wisdom teeth can cause problems in other areas. When I first read this I thought it was nonsense, but it is 100% correct.

 

Fergie was a ruthless, cold hearted manager until his final years. In the market he was brutal. Whether signing players, selling or cancelling deals.

I mean come on. What you wrote above was said back in 2005/6. Going back further the same claims were made in 1995. On both occasions a new breed made their owm stroy. Many, including united fans, wrote them off yet now here we are, talking about how great they were, how we have lost our identity now and the new players just dont get it.

I personally think they will get it just fine.

 

Nah, what was being said 10 years ago and certainly 20 years ago was us buying the league as a result of turning the club into a Plc. Nobody questioned the mentality of the players or questioned that the manager or players lacked the understanding and history of the club. Even when the club lumbered under the highs and lows of big Ron, nobody questioned that then either. It's not about success or failure at all.

And who is writing them off? Certainly not me. Don't think you've understood my post at all. The players may all be briliant and play expansive free-flowing football that excites and brings success. But the last 12 months, the way in which we've changed managers and the way players have gained favour and fallen out of favour with both the previous and current manager, the way we've "compiled" our current purchases, demonstrates a modern style of building teams by the richer clubs with players coming in for the sole purpose of short term success with little or no understanding of the club or any long term commitment to it. When you can have players like Yaya Toure throwing a hissy fit and threatening to leave because the club didn't buy him a birthday cake ffs, you can expect the same mentality from some of the players we're buying now. It's inevitable.

And just to be clear, my feelings are...so be it. Fck it, that is the consequence of a long-term manager leaving coupled with the way all the big clubs are going. And eventually all the big clubs will go that way. I am indifferent to it all now. ALL I care about is the quality of football (and hopefully any success it brings) on the pitch, and make the most of it, rather than the dire shocking ****e we've had to put up with over the last 4 years. But make no mistakes about it, the club's transfer strategy has been forced to change and it will continue by rebuilding and developing our squad through multiple acquisitions of expensive signings, rather than the targeted and limited nature of it in the past. There's little doubt in my mind where we are now, the way we're going about buying players, and the nature of the players we're buying, is where City were when Shinawatra took over the club.

They may get it as much as Yaya Toure gets City.