Exactly like Tiote to be fair. Tiote is a better footballer if I'm being honest but both have appalling disciplinary records. Cabaye is a very dirty player but gets away with murder from refs.
Jesus this isn't easy, is it? I'm not trying to say all proper Sunderland fans want him dead you know, it's very simple to read and digest a comment I can't see where you're going wrong. It says it all that you are highlighting particular matches in which he played out of his skin. That's ridiculous. As for my example, why would I keep an entire back catalogue of tackles/cards which Cattermole had gotten away with in my memory? I gave you the one that sprung to mind but here, have another couple after some (very basic) research... The scythe on Tiote inside the first two minutes of the NE Derby game last season... The career ender on Luka Modric
Catt’s problem is the game he plays, which 15 to 20 years ago would have made him invaluable, has moved on considerably. Like it or not (and to be honest, for me 90% of the tackles he gets booked for are **** all as a 47 year old brought up on exactly that kind of football) but nevertheless he falls foul of them too often. His problem is that his overall game isn’t good enough when you take away that aggression and what you are left with doesn’t carry enough quality. That said, he is a born winner and gives everything to the cause and for that I love the guy, so this is a real dilemma. If he could curtail the silliness and concentrate on his A game his inclusion is a no brainer. If he can’t and keeps getting the red mist and subsequent red cards and suspensions he should be sacrificed .
To be fair neither is even in the same ball park as Cattermole. Tiote and Feillani are probably closer than most with their yellow card count. They are over zealous rather than dirty like Cattermole. Can Tiote change? I'm not convinced as he is jsut so eager to win the ball back. Cabaye likes to leave his foot in no doubt. Its more petulance and reactionary than anything else. Hopefully he can learn to take the kicks a little better, he'll need to because he'll always be targetted. He was a bit naughty in the derby but plenty are and its a unique situation. I don't think Bardsley goes on like an idiot all year round but come derby day............... Cattermole though is in a league of his own. 6 red cards at 24, he is already guaranteed to surpass Vieira and Keane (who had the worst disciplinary records in reds) in those stakes. At least they were world class so you can bite your lip on it a bit. He doesn't offer enough to turn a blind eye to his problems.
Tiote is one the most booked players in the EPL and surpasses Catts and many others. You don’t get that title by just being 'over zealous', you get it from being a proper dirty ****er chum. Cabaye is a sly dirty twat and gets away with murder. Would love to see how he would have faired 10 or 15 years ago in this league when players were allowed to tackle properly? I think he would have cried and ran away mesel like - bit like Tiote did when wee little 'chopper Sess' brushed past him.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1384950/Alan-Pardew-dilemma-Cheik-Tiote.html Tiote has the record for booking in a month - FOURTEEN? Dont lecture us pal.
Football isn't all about the feet, it's about mentality aswell. Every team needs a Tiote, a Schole, a Cattermole, a Gerrard. Someone who will drive the team on, give them those couple of extra percentages. I haven't seen enough of your CM's to juge, but if there isn't anyone who can do that like Cattermole yet, then imo he is worth a place in the team despite his negatives.
Cattermole is not at your level anymore. Colback would be a much classier player or someone like Huddlestone who seems to be out of favour at Spurs. To say he is a liability is a bit much however if MO'N is shaking his head so publicly then it would suggest he is looking to offload him.
Colback is a better footballer imo but if lacks Cattermoles hunger and desire to win. We need a combination of a Catts and Colback to get the perfect player. Tom Hundredstone isn't it now either. 4 years ago yes but not now.
Ha'way lads. Just back from hols in Spain. I have to say that Catts is on my "keep" list, but I wouldn't necessarily start him all the time. He is very hotheaded and gets into far too much disciplinary trouble for my liking, but he does bring enough to the table to keep him in the squad. It's handy to have someone like him that can be brought on to stiffen up the midfield, although he does carry that risk of a red card and another ten-man rearguard action. Cest is right about Cabaye, though. He is far dirtier than Tiote IMHO and for both France and the mags 'n all. Catts is more obvious about it, hence the cards, but Cabaye is doing just as much on the sly.
Not lecturing at all. You asked a question and I answered it. You queried my answer by comparing him with Newcastle players (strangely?). I merely pointed out that to anyone except Sunderland fans and Stevie Wonder, you are comparing apples with oranges. Cattermole is a different animal all together in terms of discipline. 6 reds at 24. Enough said really. A guy who picks up a lot of yellows is very different to a guy who picks up record numbers of reds, surely you can understand that? At no point have I claimed that either Cabaye or Tiote or saints by the way, indeed I have admitted Tiote gets lots of yellow cards for being over zealous (you struggle to name many dirty tackles by him, 90% of his bookings are for trips). Cabaye as I say is liable to leave a foot in when he gets kicked but he does not search out violence like Mr Cattermole. There isn't even a discussion to be had really, Cattermole is a different type of dirty. I suspect you know this by the content of your original post. It seems this is merely a case of "I can't have mags posting on this board" again!
I would dare bet he is far far worse than Catts for bad fouls, but for some reason Cabeye gets away with it and Catts most certainly does not.
Cabaye has a very dirty streak in him no question, but he puts in niggly kicks (which are arguably equally as nasty) whereas Cattermole is 100X more likely to produce a horror tackle or pick up a straight red for a daft lunge. He's also incredibly stupid and unable to even begin to hide his poor challenges.
Welcome back Sid, we missed you dearly on the board! Handed you some holiday rep last week. You have some catching up to do, mod poll winner Look at my beautiful yellow star!
The stats side of things sums it up really: Cattermole committed on average 2.39 fouls per match last season and saw 13 bookings Cabaye committed on average 1.24 fouls per match and saw 7 bookings Even allowing for slyness, refereeing, ignoring their respective histories etc Cattermole is just much more of a dirty player. Cabaye has it in him undoubtedly and reacts poorly to being kicked. However Cattermole just goes out to hurt and injure people all too often. Cabaye behaved like that in the derby but to be honest players from both sides did and its best to look at that game in isolation. The rest of the time it was either pre empting the onrushing players malicious challenge (Spearing) or just not liking the kicks (he'd either leave one in or leave the field in a huff like QPR). None of it is correct but its not the mindless violence that Cattermole meets out. As I say if he could control himself he'd be decent because he is good at breaking up play.
I wouldn't say Cattermole tries to injure people, but he is reckless and I would say he isn't careful NOT to hurt someone, if that makes any sense. The stat at the top surprised me massively if I'm honest.
