Swamp I have no doubt you are right. It seems un ethical that players have that release clause in there and as soon as an agent wants a payday he lets clubs know what it is. Surely these clauses should be kept secret between the parties involved and hwen an offer comes in that matches that figure then the club would be ebtitled to speak with the player.
Well we are allegedly paying £80k a week for Gomis, could put a clause if a top 4 club etc come in for him we would allow him to speak to them.
I would love to see it. Just think if we lose our record signing and star player, that we need to make a big signing as a consequence of the sale.
Yeah, that is why I think Lukaku would not only be the perfect replacement for Bony, but would also give the entire squad and fans a massive boost.
Sparkey The clause is there for the club not the player. what use is it to the player? The club puts this in to protect a valuable player they have bought from going for a song and buy out clauses have to be approved and not a made up figure but a figure that is the minimum anyone can buy him for. that figure decreases as he gets to the end of his contract where he can actually go for zero if he runs his contract down. There are risks with buy out clauses and that's why you don't see every player on one and that is why we are facing with bony a possible chance of not getting the maximum price for him and may have to sell at the buy out clause of £19m. The best outcome for us is if liverpool do a U turn and change their minds and there are other clubs after bony who are willing to bid higher and a bidding war starts......It's a complex thing is buy out clauses as it can go against you as going for you but at the end of the day the club don't actually lose as the Buy out clause makes sure of that...
Sorry Dai, but you can't have a bidding war when a club triggers the buyout value. No club has to pay any more than the release figure to secure a player's services. Should a number of clubs be prepared to match the buyout figure, the only winner will be the player who can tout for the best contract terms. The club have no say whatsoever in where the player chooses to go - it is entirely up to the player for whom he signs. Obviously, as a contract runs down, the buyout figure tends to become less relevant and the player could be allowed to go for less as his resale value heads for zilch. The buyout clause is inserted purely as a result of the player's representatives requirements and in his interests - it has nothing to do with protecting the club other than them ensuring it was set at an extremely high level to avoid the loss of a player. Very often, a player will not sign for a club unless he has a "reasonable and realistic" release clause inserted- it was the same with us for Caulker and Medel.
Jesus suffering Christ Dai You're like a performance artist taking being wrong to strange new places. If an extremely high release clause is put in it is at the club's request to protect them.... e.g. that kid who just left Dundee Utd for Portugal/Spain has a £75m clause (or something like that) Bony's clause is set low relative to the transfer fee we paid. Therefore in his interest and demanded by his agent (most likely wouldn't have signed for us without it's inclusion as he believes in himself and saw us as a stepping stone). This is what he and his agent wanted to happen. Only question being "what was our plan for such an eventuality? " Maybe explains the dosh splashed on Gomis.
well guys i got my info from a prominent swans part of team. i know you don't like me to be telling the truth but guys that's how a buy out clause works and that's the truth. believe it or not believe but when you finally understand how things work in football you will as always know what i say is what the truth of reality is.....Dont matter to me i don't care...
Think a lot of Liverpool fans are hoping it's that high as well so we don't follow up any supposed interest we have! Although knowing us, we'd probably go and pay that
know it all i can promise you i know about things like a buy out clause. I have been with the swans for more years than you can remember and not knowing about the benefits and the negatives about such a clause i asked and it was explained to me that the club is making sure a player cant leave for less than he is worth...Over many years i have learned a hell of a lot that normal fans just don't think about. I was always surprised how complex things are running a football club and things involved i would never think off in a million years... A buy out clause for example is not picked out of thin air it is decided on the players performance over the season an approved by a panel and that is why Bony is valued at £19m than a club would not say that they would say £20m.......Michu believe it or not is not worth more than 9m and that is because of the season just gone, that don't mean for one minute we would get that as we would get whatever someone is prepared to pay. At the moment a figure cant be reached as we have gone £1m over the recommended price and Napoli knowing his value are dubious about spending such a big sum for a player who missed a great deal of last season.... It is looking like a loan deal that we don't really want but there is no other club involved that wants to stump up the cash so it is looking like we will have to reduce what we want or let him go on loan....I know what im talkng about as i have many associates who are in the business of sport and football in general...
So let's get this straight.... Last season Ryan Gauld (18yrs old) scores 8 goals in 38 games (including cups as well as the Scottish Premiership) for Dundee United. He was also brought into the Scottish U-21 squad for his 1st cap at that level in November (previously he had scored 2 goals in 10 caps at U-19 level). Sporting Lisbon purchase him for £3m (relatively high fee because he had a long contract and there was a lot of interest).... and you say that a panel got together and decided that the appropriate release clause for this player would be approx. £48m. Yet when we signed Wilfried Bony for £12m, he was 24 and had just scored 37 goals in 36 games in Holland. 31 goals in 30 games in the Eredivisie. Had won the 'Golden Shoe' award and was a full international (8 goals in 24 caps). Yet the release clause was set by the same/ a similar panel at £19m. You expect us to believe this horse ****? Don't try and get clever with me Dai I'll nail you to the ****ing wall. If you have worked in Sports and Football and have any association with our club (I don't believe that for a second by the way) then we are in serious trouble indeed. If you know people who are involved with our club on a professional basis they are either feeding you bollocks or don't understand what the **** is going on themselves, which is worrying. That my friend is "the truth of reality is" You can barely write or compose a paragraph that makes any sense whatsoever.
Ha Ha, Maybe thats why all our plays are sold on the cheap. Dai, why are do we have to do anything with Michu. if we let him go on loan then his contract time will be reduced by a year and his value will go down anyway. Either sell him for reasonable money or we play him next year. I am sure you will tell me why we cant do that. cheers.
Don't want to get involved in any local disputes between posters, but it's an interesting question posed by the OP, so I'll just add this. Dai - you always throw up "the number of years you've been around in football" as though it were some sort of evidence of your knowledge of the game. Sadly, it's been proven to be bullshit from what I've read over the years. The buyout clause in a player's contract exists soley for the benefit of a player and a condition of their representatives in signing it, otherwise no club would agree to it's inclusion. The level of the trigger is the only thing that can be of saving grace for the club. By insisting that it be set at a prohibitively high level, the club can ensure that it would be less likley to be activated, and if it was, they'd be well compensated. If Bony didn't have the option (at a suggested £19M) to leave, Huw could hold out for a bidding war and push for £25M and beyond. Now he can't - his hands are tied as soon as the trigger figure is offered. As far as the actual "odd" £19M figure is concerned, it probably had more to do with the fact that the deal with both Vitesse and Bony would have been carried out in Euros - the £19M sterling could probably have been converted from 24M Euros for instance. Also, it is not "decided on the players performance over the season an approved by a panel" - that's a load of tosh that you've just made up. It is simply a figure agreed upon between a club and a player's representatives in negotiationg the contract. If agreement cannot be reached, then the contract doesn't get signed - there is no resort to "a panel" like the training compensation payments for instance. Why should any club want a buyout clause? Think about it Dai - if they have a player signed on say a 4 year deal without a clause, they're under no obligation to let that player go at any price other than of their choosing. The inclusion of a release figure is merely an escape clause for the player to terminate his contract early if a better option comes along. Always remember - the player has no need to go, and he only will if it suits him.
Dai really hasnt got a clue, there is no way on this earth that a buy out clause protects the club, after all with no buy out clause we as a club can refuse any bid, but with a buy out clause we no longer have that luxury. A buy out clause is for the benefit of the player, hence the name, a player can buy out his contract.
I told you football is a very complex business and not as straight forward as many fans think. I myself wanted to know how things work and i am privileged to know the right people to ask and i have been amazed by some of the answers i have had to questions on why certain things happen. All i can do is explain it to the best of my ability when a question is asked on here and at the end of the day you take it on board or you don't take it on board, either way it don't matter to me...
Good blog on this. Even mentioning that Joe had a buy out clause. http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...xOU-t4g1TSpsLZ8IMOl6rFA&bvm=bv.70810081,d.d2k
If you have 15mins, read this one mind boggling. Only goes to prove it's player power and the club can go F all. http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...ynGfcT1eGk6zDP2UsA2YdTA&bvm=bv.70810081,d.d2k
