How can we compete with the EPL?

BSkyB doesnt even have £20 billion on its balance sheets (current equity, current assets etc. all included) never mind starting to think about handing that amount out to a single league in a couple of years and still remain profitable. 8 years is certainly not enough time to allow the market to expand to that extent.

 

True Blue, you are typical of the English who feel the EU is a little club where members can miss and match whatever suits them.
I am afraid when it comes to the bit if Britain is still a member of the EU, then Skye or no other corporation will be able to dodge the way around
their rules. The British Tory party as long took the role of keeping itself at a distance from the centre law and rule making in the EU. This results in Germany and France making the laws and rules that suit them first, and the EU next.
The rule to make sport freely available to be viewed in all member countries, is viewed as an essential addition to the freedom of work
and there will be no way round it. Skye will talk and talk, but no money will change hands for any extension of their agreement or any new agreement.

 

Sky already give clubs 50/60 million a season but the clubs are unable to spend it due to their debts being so large , Everton , Aston Villa and Bolton as examples, true Blue ,you honestly think sky are going to give these clubs more money ???Bolton are 90 million in debt , bottom of the league and have 15 players out of contract next summer ,once one club goes bust other will follow in the not the greatest league in the world

 

super hooper, you are missing the point spectacularly. The Premier League own the rights to ALL EPL tv coverage. The premier league can sell those rights to who they choose across Europe. The PL can sell the rights to Sky for exclusive coverage across Europe with Sky dictating the terms. The PL know the value of the partnership they have with Sky and will not want to jeopardize this. It is the smaller European broadcasters who could lose out with this ruling. Do you really think Sky and the PL are just going to say: "Oh alright then, we'll lose millions in TV revenue and let some dodgy Greek channel screen in the UK." The licensing model used for TV rights may become more complicated but Sky and the PL will not allow their exclusive tv rights deals which generate huge income to be compromised. The EU don't know their arse from their elbow and are no match for Sky. Its' the same as the joke that is UEFA's so-called fair play rules. Clubs are finding ways around it.
It could all be academic anyway as the EU is collapsing and the UK will leave it, very soon I hope. We have our Empire to trade with and have no need for the EU.

harryhood, these clubs are spending to stay in the league. No PL club has or will ever collapse. And it is by far the greatest league in the world, no other league comes close.

 

Remember the legal case I posted a link to?

 

PUB landlady Karen Murphy has won her legal battle at the European Court of Justice against the Premier League over the screening of games in her pub using a "foreign" television decoder.
The Premier League could be forced into a major change to how they sell their lucrative television rights following the landmark European ruling going against them.
Portsmouth pub landlady Murphy was prosecuted for using a Greek satellite decoder to show live matches at 3pm on Saturdays.
She appealed, arguing that she should have the right to access any service in the European Union, and in February the ECJ's advocate general Juliane Kokott issued an opinion backing Murphy's position.
Today's confirmation of that decision may mean selling sports TV broadcast rights on an exclusive territory-by-territory basis within the EU may no longer be possible.
Kokott stated: "The exclusivity agreement relating to transmission of football matches are contrary to European Union law.
"[The] exclusivity rights in question have the effect of partitioning the internal market into quite separate national markets, something which constitutes a serious impairment of the freedom to provide services."
Premier League chiefs had already anticipated that the ruling would go against them to some extent. But insiders insisted this does not necessarily mean a drop in television income from mainland Europe, which is around £130million, or less than 10% of their total £1.4billion overseas rights deal.
One option will be for the Premier League to sell their domestic rights and European rights as one giant package, and another to have their own Premier League subscription TV channel available across Europe.
The implications of the ruling could not just affect the Premier League but every sport that sells broadcast rights on a country-by-country basis.
It is also how UEFA, for example, sell the rights for the Champions League. It could also affect the sale of TV programmes generally across Europe.
The ECJ also ruled that only the opening video sequence, the Premier League anthem, and pre-recorded clips showing highlights of recent Premier League matches and various graphics could be protected by copyright.
"By contrast, the matches themselves are not works enjoying such protection," says the ruling.
Pubs would have to obtain permission to broadcast those opening sequences, said the ruling, but not the match itself.
The ECJ ruling has been criticised by Tory MP Damian Collins, a member of the culture, media and sport select committee.
Collins said: "I think that there should be some Parliamentary scrutiny of this ruling and consideration of its wider implications for copyright, sports rights and the money that goes from those rights back into sport.
"It also seems to be ridiculous that the Premier League anthem is copyright protected but not the match footage. This is another unwelcome intervention in our national life from the ECJ."
But Brigid Simmonds, chief executive of the British Beer & Pub Association, welcomed the news saying: "At last, the end is now in sight to years of uncertainty surrounding this issue.
"The UK authorities should now very quickly clarify the position in UK law so pubs know exactly where they stand.
"Perhaps now football will become more affordable for pubs, as live sport is a key ingredient of a great pub for millions of customers.
"The underlying driver of the problem has been the big price hikes that Sky have levied, with a 20% rise last year alone."
A European Commission spokesman also welcomed the verdict, saying the judges had backed the Commission's arguments during the court hearing.
"The court follows the Commission's belief that EU citizens should have the right to use pay-TV subscriptions across borders."
North of the border, SFA chief executive Stewart Regan admitted today's ruling was a "big issue for football".
Via Twitter he said: "If broadcasters cannot protect markets and outlaw decoder cards then payments to governing bodies are at risk."

 

DevAdvocate, what I said is in your quote!!: "One option will be for the Premier League to sell their domestic rights and European rights as one giant package, and another to have their own Premier League subscription TV channel available across Europe."
The PL can just sell exclusive rights across the whole of Europe to Sky. The pub landlady didn't actually win as you suggest. The court ruled that pubs and clubs are NOT allowed to buy foreign decoders and show foreign coverage, however private citizens could. How many people are going to go to that much hassle just to get second rate coverage anyway. The pub landlady has had to stop showing Greek coverage. I hope Sky now sue her selfish arse to oblivion.

 

Were Portsmouth not an epl team when they nearly went bust ???, next season Bolton will be in the same boat , yes a championship club , but all their financial woes were caused by living out with their means in the premiership

 

True blue,
I think you now realize how big a fool you have been.
The bar owner in Southampton has done every true football fan a good deed. Bringing football back to where
it belongs. Back to the common working man and woman. All the thanks she gets from you is for SKY to sue her selfish arse to oblivion.

How can you make that out, maybe Rooney will have to survive on a salary of £200,000 per week.
God help football.

 

harryhood, have any of them actually gone bust though? None have to my knowledge anywhere in the whole football league.

super hooper, Sky is the best thing that has happened to British sport. Who wants to go back to the dark ages? I was very glad Sky got F1 coverage. Now we have a dedicated F1 channel.
The pub landlady is a disgrace. She couldn't give a toss about the game, or the finances of the game. She just wanted to steal coverage on the cheap and sod all the honest publicans trying to make a living, playing by the rules and paying up. One day I'm going to find her in her stupid pub and tell her to her face what I think of her.
And football has never been more accessible to the "common man or woman". The only option used to be to stump up large sums of money to go and see a game. Now a whole family can watch their team on TV in the comfort of their living room for a fraction of the price.

 

Your not getting this true blue , over 3 billion in debt is the premier league , Bolton are a wee pishy team , who attracted 7/8 thousand crowds while in the lower divisions .When they return to their roots they will have a 80/90 million debt over their heads thanks to the epl

 

True Blue, you are either stupid or else you as ignorant as they come in England.
Imagine, some day you are going to get on your hobby horse and ride to the South coast, no doubt calling to see 4/5 of your teams playing and tell that lady what you think of her. I bet she will rue the day that she took on Sky after a couple moments of your time, before her bouncers toss you on to the street. Then you have to ride back home with the tail between your legs.

If Sky had not inflated the prices, so outrageously and so illegally ( I know the short-sighted English MPs stood idly by) then the prices at the gate would only be a fraction of what they are now. The working man could still bring his family at least once a fortnight to watch. One of your all time heroes S David Murray spoke approximately 10 years ago that he foreseen, no need for admission charges for football matches as TV would pay all and clubs would invite people in to create an atmosphere. Must be what Wigan and Bolton are experimenting.

 

I respect your view super but I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. People are making out the pub landlady to be some kind of robin hood when in fact she is a selfish self-serving thief who couldn't give a toss about the football she is trying to steal.
Times are changing. Didn't attendances at football grounds years and years ago in the days of standing and zero H&S used to be ridiculously high? Now they are lower but more people watch on TV. I think it will always be a balance between live spectators and TV viewers. The difference is years ago people just supported their local team. With globalisation (good or bad I don't know), football teams are accessible to the global market through TV.
TV won't go away and I defy anyone to say that Sky don't do a good job. There seems to be an anti-Sky agenda which I don't understand. Sky sports is £20 a month which is less than the price of going to one game, yet I get to see Football, Darts (which I love), cricket, F1 (now) etc. Great value for money.
Thank you for a good debate, makes a change from me being rubbished as just a wum.

 

True blue , you keep going on about the Spanish league being a 2 team league , the reason is the top 2 are best 2 teams in the world , Man utd and Chelsea on current form would be shipping 6 or 7 to these teams , epl is exciting this season because the standard of the top 4 has dropped, as has the standards of other teams , Villa , Everton etc

 

True dense idiot blue, we don't have to agree to differ, just because you are a lazy tight fisted, self centered no good to mankind doesn't give you a right to preach your rubbish on here. You are no sports fan, sitting on your arse in your own living room is not supporting a team.
Forget your claim to follow or support all those WEPL and championship team and above all celtic.
No celtic fan would have blue in his title, you are not a WUM you are a waste of space. Not one person took your side in this argument because your argument was so stupid.

 

super hooper, that's not very nice. I do go to some games. I used to be a season ticket holder at Ipswich but didn't renew when Ipswich became rubbish under Keane. I try not to miss a game on TV if any of my teams are playing. It's a bit childish to say I can't support Celtic because I have the word blue in my username. I take my support of my clubs very seriously. My username comes from the fact that I am a "true" fan and my home club is "blue", and also for my admiration for the Tories and Thatcher.

 

Lover of thatcher !!! You won't get invited to our party with jelly and ice cream , the happy day the old boot passes away

 

Sounds like the party in your old folks home will be a real hoot.

 

Thatcher was probably our best Primeminister since Churchill which is why she's getting a state funeral. I would expect Cameron to give everyone a day off work to mourn too...

 

Poppers and balloons as well , your not getting invited either