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How can fans question the investment from the Allams?

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  1. AKCJ

    AKCJ Well-Known Member
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    Sorry mate, you've just pulled that out of your arse.

    Spot on.
     
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  2. Benjo

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    I agree with this... though a couple of injuries are almost inevitable and it leaves us incredibly thin. To N Pearson's credit he shifted a lot of deadwood out. We still have a couple of players left here who don't play often and are on big wages... It's a small shame that Bruce didn't manage to get them out this season and replace them, thus recouping a bit of the money we'd spent on them. That and we might have had a slightly better squad as a result.

    The worry for me is, with a thin squad we'll need to bring more players in. If we're using summer's budget now then the majority will have to be freebies. That means Bruce will have to be quick come summer when they're released as the best will go quickly...

    Unless we go up... which is why we need a bit more investment right now. Though how much more worse off would that potentially leave us should we not get promoted? It's all swings and roundabouts isn't it.
     
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  3. Erik

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    ...and replaced it with his own.
     
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  4. Benjo

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    I was mainly referring more to the players on big money to be fair. Though Pearson's signings were pretty good overall. Hobbs, Chester, Dudgeon, Fryatt, Koren, Rosenior, Evans, Brady (initial loan), Mannone (initial loan)... to lesser extents even McKenna, Stewart and possibly Simpson weren't too bad.

    Although I've just praised Nigel for clearing players out, it's occured to me that this was likely more to do with Adam.
     
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  5. Amin Arrears

    Amin Arrears Well-Known Member

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    The issue isn't so much a small ish squad, in fact I believe we have plenty of depth. I think the issue is Bruce's naivety to stick with the same system through thick and thin, even when key players that made that system tick over are missing and replaces them with others and expects the same results.

    Sadly elmo and aluko are gone and without them this way of playing just doesn't work, we have enough decent players to field a bloody strong team if they're used correctly in a way that suits them. Proschwitz doesn't offer the mobility and guile to play this way, in the 3-5-2 the strikers are almost a half winger half striker combo. Rosenior doesn't have the creative vision, the controlled pin point placed passes and power/pace to run the right line on his own and still keep the right wing an effective attacking outlet. With koren playing up alongside proz we lose all pace and unpredictability upfront which makes us very easy to defend against using a high defensive line and keeping shape in defence. We also lose that quick tempo one touch pass and move fluidity in the middle of the pitch which helps the ball flow smoothly from back to front and the dangerous long range shooter which forces defenders to close down and open gaps.

    Bringing players in isn't necessarily the solution, what we really need is a manager who can think outside of his little box and realise square pegs don't fit in round holes. Even with Aluko and elmo missing we still have a bloody good side that is definitely capable of causing enough trouble to challenge for the top two.

    Stockdale
    Chester Bruce Mcshane
    Rosey meyler Evans Quinn Brady
    Proschwitz koren

    Stockdale
    Rosey Chester Hobbs Brady
    meyler koren Quinn
    Simpson Proschwitz Stewart

    I know which looks better and more sensible, one with square pegs in round holes, one with players playing their natural position.
     
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  6. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    You can **** off bob I'm not reading all that I'm arseholedl
     
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  7. merchantman5

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    so instead of moaning about it ring in and put your points across. It is easy to write that load of drivel calling people names. Strikes me you aren't much better than they are.
     
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  8. merchantman5

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    Well thank you for the insight into the Hull City wage structure. Where did you get that information from then, the back of a *** packet?Unless you are actually employed as the City accountant there is no way in the world you know who is on what. Don't tell me you got it from the published accounts either, that would include the tea lady's wages as well. If you actually read the article in the HDM about the posted loss you will of seen it is actually approx 7M less than last year. Yes the Allams have invested heavily in the club, but it is right what has been said both on here and on Humberside, they have come out and said they want the club in the PL and that they are willing to invest to get it there. We all know what we need to get us there a decent striker and we will have to throw some big money around to get what we need. Once in the PL the Allams could no doubt use their vast business contacts to get in some investors in to reduce their own investment.
     
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  9. merchantman5

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    Pearson had long gone when the January window opened. He signed Adebola and Harper when we where broke
     
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  10. The FRENCH TICKLER

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    All bar a few of those sad and clueless muppets who contacted Radio Humberside last night post game were a disgrace. Not fans at all. Just moaners and dick heads. One even did not know that Aaron McLean had gone out on loan to Ipswich. <doh>
     
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  11. Stuart Blampey

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    He went in October(?) 2011. I've no idea what budget he was given for 2010/2011 or 2011/2012.

    I suspect it was significantly smaller than the one SB has for this season.
     
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  12. PLT

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    You're not even reading my posts. There's really no point in this debate if you're just making my half of the conversation up.

    We know Prossy didn't cost that, there's nothing to say Meyler and Brady cost what was reported either.

    The point isn't that we don't spend enough money. It's that everyone's expectations are raised by all the hype the Allams generate about money and ambition and they aren't fulfilled. Just like last season. We lost two good managers because of this crap. No doubt Bruce has had more to spend than those two but clearly we need a striker to achieve anything from this season and if we don't get one this month then clearly he hasn't had enough support. In our position we should have no trouble finding someone.

    Also, in the summer they were saying all transfers would be assessed on a case-by-case basis and there was no specific budget. That made good sense and was the right thing to say, but all this talk about Meyler and Brady coming from next year's budget is a complete contradiction to that and even alone it would be ridiculous. We shouldn't be disclosing this stuff for everyone to know what our budgets are and it will put a hell of a lot of pressure on them next summer when there's no money to improve the team.
     
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  13. richuttley

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    Which part have I supposedly made up?!!!
     
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  14. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    Think you need to go and lie down. Your hatred of the Allams is all that shows through when you write crap like this.
     
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  15. richuttley

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    So by Bruce not signing a striker that is automatically The Allam's fault? MAYBE THERE ISN'T A STRIKER OUT THERE, or at least one which would want to come to us or is in our budget. What striker would you go for out of interest and how much would you pay? I think you are living in a dream world.
     
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  16. FILEYseadog

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    It's NOT the end of the world IF we don't go up is it ?

    After all Steve Bruce hasn't even been our manager for a season yet .

    I'm sure the Allams and Steve Bruce want promotion as much as the fans do if not more..

    Plenty of time yet ... We can't make players come to the club IF they don't want to.

    I'm sure many supporters living away from Hull wouldn't move back to Hull from were they live ..

    And that's not having a go at Hull as a place , far from it ..
     
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  17. richuttley

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    Its not the end of the world, yes it would be a disappointment. Agree with every point you make, just wish we had more fans with the level headed views we and a handful of others have.
     
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  18. Stuart Blampey

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    I'm sure everyone on every forum thinks that, ffs! <laugh>
     
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  19. richuttley

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    No they don't, that;s why we have debate, but there is having a debate then people just plucking numbers out the air and making ridiculous statements. I am more than happy to have a debate with someone who can provide a decent argument.!
     
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  20. PLT

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    Well for example, your very next post:

     
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