not everyday sometimes they have an english [video=youtube;AfN-P2sBHn4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfN-P2sBHn4[/video]
They are bloody hilarious, i really enjoyed the Kumars at number something too.... It has nothing to do with quotas this lot are talented comedians ........ LMAO
That's why the very first thing I said was 'Asian', not Muslim. But the only cases I've known in my own experience of forbidden relationships have been amongst Muslims. I've always found that Hindus and Sikhs are more westernised.
Or maybe Manchester is more modern than Stoke? I've known plenty of 'pick n choose Muslims', those that are strict in some ways but not in others. One girl wears the headscarf and reads the Quran, but she also has the occasional drink and had an abortion a couple of years back. Plenty of lads who drink but still go to Juma. That happens all the time, hence why I question the 'muslim' bit in various threads. But we are talking about parents here. How many of the examples you give are with full parental knowledge. The weird thing is that the abortion woman probably had it due to not wanting to 'dishonour' the family. Hence my point earlier with regards to making a decision knowing what the consequences will be. Also I found in my life that areas with large populations are more 'behind' than others including manchester. Would be interesting to know the lads at Juma but nothing else views if it was their sister/wife etc See above. You're not saying you don't know any Muslims who follow only the rules that suit them? Thats not it at all, look at it in context of how this conversation started, and what I was responding to. Maybe in the 60s Fan. Secular British society isn't like that any more. Even less so on Jeremy Kyle! You would be suprised, this isnt about what you know personally. visit a womens refuge sometimes and 90% and more of the women are white with nowhere to go because of abuse/violence etc But not in the cases the OP is talking about. Where we still talking OP? or was it in relation to answering a point or progression of the discussion? you cant have it both ways. Very uncommon in my culture Fan. I've never heard of an honour killing in my family or friends. Neither have I it means nothing, The example i gave earlier was attempted murder because of what would be called 'honour' if it had been asians etc. And if you look up the casee of the man killed recently in stoke it was a white man killed by his white girlfriend due to him having an affair and trying to end the relationship. Both cases I know personally involved white people. It varies depending on context, thats the bugger of foreign languages at times. In this context though the word is deliberately used to signify a set of people. As soonn as people here it they automatically assume muslim That's why the very first thing I said was 'Asian', not Muslim. But the only cases I've known in my own experience of forbidden relationships have been amongst Muslims. Although you have previously been guilty of mentioning pakistani/muslim in this instance I was speaking generally I've always found that Hindus and Sikhs are more westernised. Yet these 'westernised' ones are the ones with the highest honour killings. so may be you are wrong about the rest too.
Sad thing is the show was stopped in its heyday, when it was at its peak The people involved have always blamed the BBC of being racist for this decision. and I dont mean the asian stars
But I've also known people old enough to be parents too. They're not all quite as strict as you'd imagine. so what is it? are they strict or not? on one hand you seem to be highlighting how 'tight' these parents are but now they are not But victims of domestic violence tend to be beaten wives/girlfriends. Not daughters who've gone out with the wrong bloke. are we just focussing on daughters? I wasnt tbh I was looking at it in its entirety as is the whole 'honour killings' debate. regardless of this I know many white daughters who the parents have nothing to do with due to the choices she has made. You will see this on Jeremy kyle too I can refer to both the OP and my own experience Fan. You have. please do I have no other issue except you make one point to prove that you personally havent seen it and the next in a generic sense. I just want to be clear that is all The case you mention in Stoke is NOTHING like an honour killing Fan. This woman killed her boyfriend, presumably because of jealousy and possessiveness. Honour killings are against daughters by fathers. Why would the father be jealous of his daughter having a boyfriend? Unless incest was involved, and I doubt that. I can understand a father being possessive, but that's not the case either, as if the daughter was in a suitable relationship the father would be fine with it. Firstly that was my point that one is seen as an honour killing due to the persons race/creed/colour the other is as you highlighted above Secondly you seem obsessed with the daughter bits, the honour killings highlighted in the media are wives/girlfriends etc too. as for fathers and daughters and boyfriends its an age old conflict even in this culture/country Guilty of mentioning Pakistani? One girl was Bengali, the other Pakistani I think. I wasnt just referring to this thread So obviously NOT westernised then. Because honour killings are not a western phenomenon. You were the one who said sikhs and Indians were more westernised. I just pointed at that these 'more westernised' people had higher rates of killings which begs the question are they? Was just proving that what you may think is wrong
just watched it funny thing is these are the 'modern' westernised lot. she deserved it though no? after all 'How can she slap?' I think there was some honour beating taking place on the poor fell after
I think the answers to all your questions and more can be found analysing the How Can She Slap video, also someone told me that it is directly related to 9/11 so you might want to have Eddie analyze the video as well.
Jip just because you are a moderator doesn't mean you can just blow in and change the subject right? we are talking about HCSS and 9/11 here for **** sake.
No, I was just saying that they weren't that strict in general, but very strict re boyfriends. Whereas you said they would definitely be strict in EVERY way. No, I said it was unusual to be strict in other fields but not for boyfriends. The boyfirend issue is the big no no in bengali communites (and others) so if they are accepting of that then I dont see the reason for strictness elswhere, hence why I believe the story to be false But isn't that more to do with drugs, drink, crime, ABUSIVE partners (not just a different race)? Its those too. Point again is race isnt an issue and shouldnt be on the other side is the lack of families on JK and such shows Yes but not many dads end up killing their daughter because if it. how many do in every culture? fathers in this country kill their daughters after getting them pregnant The Sikhs and Hindus I've known have been more westernised. The ones who honour kill clearly aren't. You have percieved that to be the case, what happens behind closed doors is different. As i said your view is that hindus and sikhs are more westernised yet they have the highest rate of honour killings. somebody is wrong
