Some right rubbish written in this thread. Jayram, saying wenger Is a bad manager is ridiculous, he is one of the most sucessful managers to manage in this country and won manager of the decade. Making statements like that loses you credibility. Wenger is very highly thought of within the sport. Shoddy performance against a swansea team who passed the ball around very well. Not the end of the world and not the end of the season!
Also jayram you complain arteta probably could of played with no evidence to back this up. Your also one of the people who would get annoyed with wenger if he played someone not fully fit and they get injured. There is no pleasing some people. So regardless of whether you make any good points, you are negative so often that they'll be ignored as more negative drivel.
It is reported that he will play vs United but he was too injured to play today. Or would you rather Arteta get a long term injury by playing today?
great way to completely avoid the point there Jayram!! you don't believe the media, you don't believe Arsenal, yet you're fully prepared to make up your own non-medical professional mind about an injury to a player you haven't had any contact with at all...ever?? priceless.
Honestly how can you know that? You have no idea on the state of Arteta's fitness And despite what Wenger says he has played players who are not 100% fit anymore, Nasri last year against Barca is the first one that comes to mind. Anyway the point is that you are assuming too much which is a downside of arrogance. Criticise other things about the game today rather than show how the unavailablilty of one player is all down to Wenger's many faults.
ooook im not here to debate that issue..yes im a spurs fan but you might be shocked to learn that i like football in general..and tis the beauty of the game that we can all have opinions..and more than one is right
give it a rest - what a stupid vindictive remark. This board was full of our fans complaining yesterday- but you still cannot accept their right to have an opinion, can you?
You obviously cannot tell the difference between agonizing and rejoicing. Where is it you see any of us rejoicing? You shut your eyes, turn a blind eye to the problems in our management and squad. Simply hoping things will turn out well won't make that hope into a reality. Your support is both blind and negligent. Instead of sounding out to call for change you talk down those who feel the need for change. Perhaps you like things the way they are? You should get real because the reality is in plain sight. 7 points in 6 games is no different to 7 from 7 at the start of this season and 12 from 11 at the end of the last. Presumably you and your cohorts rejoice in this Your silence and theirs last evening was deafening.
i don't see anyone enjoying the loss. people are seeing the problems with the side not being addressed: A lack of squad depth - Miguel & Djourou both being played out of position, Wenger said he'd sign a full-back on loan. What happened? Poor defensive discipline - Attrocious positioning for Swansea's 3rd goal Allowing key players to depart - Not starting negotiations early enough or offering good enough incentives Failure to adequately replace departing players - Fabregas, Nasri Being too slow in the transfer market - An agent said last week that Arsenal are always the last to make a move, which means they often miss out on targets. Holding on to mediocre players - Denilson, Diaby, Squillaci, Almunia Lack of tactical nous - Same system with the same personnel played every game. Too predictable, too easy to counteract
what a stupid thing to say , again . I find it personally insulting that you would suggest that i , or any Arsenal fan , enjoy seeing my team lose , in such a lacklustre manner ,so i have got something to moan about. Ridiculous.
When we spent a bit of money at the start of the season, did anyone else think that it was a sign that we would perhaps in the forthcoming transfer windows change our policy slightly and bring in some quality reinforcements? I must admit that i did. I remember on the old 606, a few seasons back when we had a very good team that was unlucky not to win the title (the eduardo leg-break season). There were many posters complaining that the lack of investment would see us fall further behind the top teams (then Chelsea and Man U). I actually ridiculed these comments as we had a competitive team and soon our stadium debt would be reduced to such a level that we would be able to sign top talent and have a great squad and the right mixture of youth and experience. With Wenger at the helm and our slick passing style we would soon be back at the summit of English football where we belonged. As the seasons went by I clung to the hope that while we wouldn't break the bank in a foolish way or sell our souls like the sugar daddy clubs we would at least bring in some big names so that Wenger's vision of slick attacking football could be realised. Even after Fab and Nasri left I thought that Wenger and the board would be kick-started into action and at last our beleaguered support would have some excitement on the transfer front, a fresh beginning with committed, quality players to augment the talent we already possessed and that we would finally unload the perpetually disappointing dross that we have become accustomed to over the years. I was pleased with the acquisition of a German international defender and Gervs seemed like a good buy. I wasn't exactly overawed by the signing of Arteta but it was a step in the right direction. I thought that this would be a stop-gap and Wenger would seriously strengthen in January, especially if we had injury problems - NOT A BIT OF IT!!!! And it's not like we have much to be excited about in the summer either, probably a drawn out transfer saga resulting in us selling our best player and insufficient replacements. I'm sick to death of waiting for a good squad!!! No-one can say that we haven't been patient. I think some straight talking honesty from Wenger and the board about their position on investing in the squad is owed to the fans - Wenger is always frustratingly vague, at least once he should be candid.
Personaly i think alot of Arsenal fans on here are far too negative about the team and look for opportunities to slate certain players and staff. I don't however get annoyed evertime someone critisizes the team, it should just be done in a constructive way. And it should be done from the position that you are trying to support the club. i'm sure if rather than "these player s are ****, this manager is hit bla bla" you went for "i can see Wenger is obviously trying to bla bla, but bla bla" or "I feel sorry for xyz they are really struggling for form - maybe give yzx a go instead, make xyz work a bit more for his spot" rather than "XYZ IS ****, DONT LET HIM PLAY NO MORE!!!1!!!" people would be far more willign to listen and debate the differing viewpoints. Unfortunately most on here seem to hate having any kind of balance and go one way or another. I'm one of the positive, In Wenger We Trust lot - but i still point out flaws in the team and how we can improve. Maybe if others took a slightly different approach it wouldn't always come down to a 'Jayram and Friends' VS 'PISKIE and Buddies'. It's just silly how petty some of the posters can be sometimes on this board. There is alot of good discussion and everyone usualy has some good point or another to raise - so lets enjoy having a platform to discuss our feelings about the team rather than shouting each other down. Support the team (that means being behind the players and manager even when things are tough, but that doesn't mean don't constructively critisize), enjoy the games and enjoy talking about them.
A good point very well expressed We're all entitled to our opinions without needing to get upset with each other
Well said but I don't think that criticism of specific players or the manager is necessarily a bad thing. Our recent performances warrant specific criticisms. I don't believe I have shouted you down, I'm just deeply concerned about the direction the club seems to be taking.
Of course it's not always a bad thing to critisize a player or the Manager - it ensures they are kept on there toes and don't get complacent. But while certain critisism is good other attacks on players (particularly when someone or a few people really get it in for a player) isn't good for the team or fans. Just think, if all the team hear is the fans think your **** - how will that effect how they play? You've seen how some of the players struggle with pressure at times, so surely pointing out how they need to improve whilst also not being constantly negative is a better approach. Just like it's not good for fans to constantly go on about how great and flawless the players and manager are without ever critisizing them. Although this keeps the spirits up it also stops the club from worrying about its flaws. So i agree, critisism isn't always a bad thing. It's how it's delivered/expressed that matters.
