Holgate and Firmino incident !

Was that deliberate - shoved lmao

 

yeah sorry got that when re-reading

 

Tbf I don’t want retrospective red - pointless
It was a red simple as but I want to see both come out and say it was a misunderstanding. I would love holgate to apologise for the shove but neither will happen.
Defo think we should shove someone into hoardings at goodiso. Just to see what happens
Get Ings to do it in the 95th minute

 

He would rupture a ligament doing that, then how are we supposed to get rid?

 

Depending on who he shoves could be worth it
If it was Rooney

 

The vital sentences for me:

.1 Having considered all of the available evidence, we consider it is not sufficient to raise a charge against Firmino.

2. However, we are completely satisfied that the allegation was made in absolute good faith by Holgate and that there is no suggestion of this being an intentionally false or malicious allegation.


3. The evidence for the allegation came from Holgate. During a fixture between Liverpool and Everton on 5 January 2018, Holgate alleged that he had heard Firmino use a discriminatory term towards him.

4. On hearing this, Holgate followed correct procedures by immediately alerting the match referee of the allegation, along with other Everton players who were in close proximity. The incident was formally reported to the match officials following the fixture and subsequently reported to The FA.

.5 We took statements from a total of 12 players and officials from both teams, the match referee and the fourth official. None of these individuals directly heard the words alleged to have been said by Firmino.

6. Firmino was formally interviewed by The FA and provided an alternative account to the words alleged by Holgate. Firmino stated that he had insulted Holgate in Portuguese, but denied categorically using any discriminatory language towards him.

7. As part of the investigation, The FA sought the assistance of a Brazilian/Portuguese linguistic specialist on the words alleged. In addition to this, we also obtained multiple angles of video footage, including broadcast and unseen footage showing the incident, which was assessed by two independent Portuguese speaking lip reading experts.


You read this and holgate is a saint. Firmino merely said something different to the saint.

12 people were interviewed and not one could back up the claim.

supposedly more angles but we've never seen them and they used experts who gave report of what was said... no evidnece of alleged word.

Now.... i think the onus is on the FA to publish a full report with exact text of what was said. they have backed holagate with extremely supportive language while being cold and distant from firmino. The finding of "not sufficent" is not actually good enough. It should be clear that no such word was uttered OR there are gaps in what they could detect being said.

as it stands imo it can be construed that firmino "GOT AWAY WITH ONE HERE"

 

The bold text show a clear suggestion of a false allegation, the FA know there would be serious SJW fallout for charging Holgate

 

You are a racist, or a racist that got away with it, that's how this has been portrayed by the FA

 

they are very clear in saying theres no suggestion of it. IMO the video on the night is clear enough that he reacted to something. it is also very very clear that kenny stuck his oar in only after holgate grabbed the ref and shouted he called me an x... then kenny was jumping up and down trying to get firmino sent off. he never reacted at all til holgate started saying it.

the only person at all who reacted was holgate to a portugese phrase calling him a son of a whore so how he made the n word out of it i don't know. clealry he didn't know what he was called. "puta" you need to change a lot of letter to get to a word starting with n and ending in a that rappers use... sorry but for me.. 12 guys interviewed plus match officals who might have heard and nobody heard a thing.

The proper decision should be "not guilty" but in fact there is no actual charge so it should be "no case to answer"

they merely said all available evidence we consider it is not sufficient to raise a charge.

thats actually hamfisted.... as i think on it.

 

he reacted to being abused, not racially abused. he was pissed at Firmino and well angry well before that altercation. That's why he pushed Firmino into the boards

The fact no one heard anything like a racial slur and he did?

I don't buy it, I think he made it up.

 

They should have said "Firmino is not guilty of using racist language"

 

Prove he didn’t hear what he said he did?

Slander.

 

I think they have at least a few angles and are not sharing. if they have a full transcript of firminos words they should be published immediately

if they dont they should have stated that.

IMO they should have said "no case to answer" that celalry says he didn't say it.

Insufficent evidence suggests theres doubt over a portion of what is said.. yet they claim unviewed angles and a transcript form language experts.

 

It was to cover up his homophobic comments made towards Mangala.

 

No need to, the slander is the allegation. When he told the ref and others. Given there were witnesses when he said Firmino said something racist, and the witnesses that were present that did not hear anything racist. That's sufficient lad

 

PJ "think" does not come into it.

If he thought he heard something, it behooved him to ask Firmino if he said it.

Claiming racism without evidence, and the defendant has plenty of evidence he did not say it, as Firmino has, its an open and shut slander case

 

It’s open and shut then. The allegation was made through the correct FA channels.

It wasn’t via social media, followed up with interviews and soundbites. Sure LFC will make sure EFC and Holgate are rinsed.

 

"the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation."
Slander.

The fact Holgate cannot back up this claim, and Firmino can back up his claim, and witnesses to the allegation. It's clearly slander

 

What is the evidence that Firmino didn’t say it? Same as your evidence that Holgate fabricated the ‘allegation’

 

If none of the 12 surrounding players and officials heard it then Holgate is a proven liar, unless he wants to plead diminished responsibility on the grounds of insanity