Holgate and Firmino incident !

Exactly.

Holgate was in the wrong for shove and should have been punished for it. If not we will see that every week then how can the refs and fa justify it.

The reaction of firminho was wrong, but what player wouldn't have reacted that way to what happened to him.

We don't yet know if or what he said was racist so hard to say anything.

Initial shove should have been dealt with though.

 

Nah - he was spinning the ref to talk to him - again stupid but just as stupid as firmino squaring up and as stupid as the initial shove for once even though it probably not what the rules state the ref prob did his best with this one.

 

he's getting nothing.

 

I agree to a point but to me the ref bottled it.

If firminho as other players tend to do now days feign he was more hurt than he was then what?

Shove should have been dealt with then the bull after may not have happened.

Also if the holgate shove is justified, be interesting to see fans reaction to it when their player is on receiving end. Bit like the little contact for a pen argument we recently had

 

no hang on.. the ref has stepped between holgate and firmino and stopped firmino getting red card for touching the twat as I get the little **** would have dropped at the slightest contact.

he then has a big fight to deal with and the next thing the guy is saying racial abuse.

he's no time to deal with holgate before the racism claim is made.

Imo the moment that was done the whole thing was kicked to fa in report as if he booked both players all the fa could do was deal with racism.

now the fa can give holgate 3 games for violent conduct. IF THEY EVEN LOOK AT IT

the fa can at the very least do firmino for violent conduct even though it was verbal due to ref having to restrain him. that 3 games.

If thry find race based on two Everton players statements and zero evidence then that's a big issue as it invites anyone to shout rave to get out of a bad tackle.

let's see. we still don't know fully what was said.

 

Yes as it was obviously a false allegation

****

 

Not having that mito

Already acknowledged the reaction of firminho was wrong, but the racist claim is completely separate. Ref should have dealt with Holgate shove and punished him.

What firminho did or didn't say is separate.
Why should Holgate get away with what he did?

If so we will see that every week,and how can refs or fa have a problem with it if they haven't punished Holgate for it.

 

Remember that Suarez was not caught on camera saying anything (nor microphone), yet was still 'executed' on the orders of the MUFA. Evra, on the otherhand, was clearly seen to be telling Suarez to go and **** his sister's pussy. This was brushed off as an 'exclamation', as a Frenchman always screams a Spanish oath when trapping their finger in the car door or dropping a bag on their toe. Unless there are cameras showing every single word uttered by Bobby for the whole game they will find him guilty or they'll have a whole industry of self-appointed guardians of race relations on their backs.

Sorry to sound like a Peter Saxton, but Bobby, who ironically looks far from being an Aryan poster boy himself, will need to prove his innocence rather than the other way around now that Judge Shearer and the BBC Salford Justice League have spoken.

 

Shearer works for The S*n

#bbcsalford work for Man Utd

#endof

 

no it was poor lfc.show that gave them suarez. Comilla came in like the big cock on show and said he spoke Spanish and pumped Suarez and get the phrase out of him. once he did that he was done for especially when lawyers then told.him to deny so fa called him unreliable too.


due to the fact that firmino.said. you crazy son of a white and the next couple of words were not seen all kennyy and holgate need do is insert what thry say and then all the denials in world are useless.

its very clear what happened right up to the go second but what was said in that final second is not known yet.

as shearer said "obviously it was bad" or holgate wouldn't be upset enough to talk to ref.

I expect 3 games ban for violent conduct
3 for aggravated circumstances
and prob 3 more for olaying for lfc.

our season is now over. just accept it now lads.

 

This is more like the old mito. The almost optimistic one was freaking me out.

 

I've been thinking that. Would he even think of using racist language if he himself has mixed ethnicity?
I have no idea, but I do know that South Americans go for the insulting the female members of your family thing a lot of the time.

 

Where have you got it from that bobby clearly said " you crazy son of a white......" ?

 

Spell check me thinks. He typed whore...

But if he did say crazy son of a white....i suppose that is racist lol

 

Tobes

 

Racism applies to all ethnic groups not just white people. A mixed race individual can racially abuse another from another ethnic group for example. Suarez racially abusing Evra? This is just a general observation: racism is not the prerogative of the white people! at the risk of stereotyping some non white cultures are among the most racist on the planet!

Let's not prejudge the situation and repeat the Suarez episode. We didn't exactly come out of it smelling of roses.

 

The news dated before he turned pro? Pretty sure they were from when Holgate was at school.

 

Oh yes...15 or something. Just be a ****ter if it turns out a misunderstanding last night but results in those being dug up and the FA acting on them . Since they've done so before and will be pressured to not suggest that they don't take racism more seriously than homophobia.

I read them as banter between mates btw. Might be wrong but yes he was 15.

 

I live in the Sheffield now and have since University. It’s South Yorkshire bantz.

Doubt he could be charged with something unless the people it’s aimed at complain.