Hoilett

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sb_73 said:
Cesar played for Inter, who are skint and wanted rid of him because of his wages. I watched him closely in the warm up with Green yesterday and he is half a second faster in everything he does. Class act, if we can't afford him he's an easy one to sell.

I will be the only one on here who says this but Granero noticeably upped the quality when he came on yesterday - moving the ball accurately and quickly. But I agree that he is struggling with the gulf in class between what he was used to and where he is now. I still like him and hope he gets a chance somewhere more suited to his style, Arsenal, Swansea, Liverpool or abroad.

Who knows about Hoilett, he never gets a kick.
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Cesar is an amazing shot stopper.......but is prone to silly mistakes that have cost us in the past and nearly cost us a 4th goal when he fumbled the ball straight at him.

A poor defence doesnt help....but signing him, when we already had Green just shows what MH was like at man managment and how he didnt care about upsetting other squad members.
 
QPR-Franckster said:
I think the reason for all this, is the divide in players.....Harry said it today (allthough he said he didnt want to name anyone personally) that he knows what the problem is....there are a number of players that dont give a damn, pick up rediculous wages and dont put in a shift.

When you have this, it affects all the players including quality players like Hoilett (who is young and even more susceptible to bad influence).

Its like a virus that pulses out of the bad players on high wages onto the good players on lower wages and you get one big pile of crap.

I know its been mentioned so many times, but Hughes really couldnt have done more wrong if he tried.

Harry has a chance to bring in some good pro's and people that want to work hard.....while either getting rid of the bad apples, or pushing them to train with the youth squad.

My toughts on the bad apples are: Ceasar, Granero, Bonsingwa, Cisse, Zamora, Diakite (depressed and misses home), Park Ji ****stain.

M'Bia is a class player and one of the few decent players Hughes got....allthough he didnt have a great game today, the class is still there.

And then you have Mackie, Hill, Derry and to a certain degree Faurlin.....all players that work hard for the cause, but simply arent good enough at this level.

So here are our good players: Tarrabt, Nelsen (pure class this guy), M'Bia and Traore.

Its not a curse.....its poor signings by the club, hyped way out of proportion to trick the fans into thinking we have signed some top quality.

I was saying to my Brother today that we should have signed players like Snodgrass, players that are exceling in the Championship and want to put the effort in to make the next step up.

Instead we sign over the hill players and they have brought a dark cloud over our younger better players.

And thats what we have today a big group of Mercenaries, influencing the younger better players negatively, proped up by hardworking Championship players.

But we all knew that :)
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Certainly hard to argue with that although personally I would not lump Zamora in with the bad apples as his performances only dipped when he was playing with his hip injury.
 
Frome-Ranger said:
Certainly hard to argue with that although personally I would not lump Zamora in with the bad apples as his performances only dipped when he was playing with his hip injury.
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Zamora is known to be a bad apple......he doesnt bond with the team.....he comes to training and leaves the second training is over...never does any activities with the rest of the squad.

And has been quoted to say he is falling out of love with the game.

Not what you need in this situation.
 
QPR-Franckster said:
Zamora is known to be a bad apple......he doesnt bond with the team.....he comes to training and leaves the second training is over...never does any activities with the rest of the squad.

And has been quoted to say he is falling out of love with the game.

Not what you need in this situation.
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Fair enough I'm not up with the behind the scenes stuff so if that is true then obviously its not good. Always appeared to give it everything on the pitch though until he got injured.
 
Hoilett is a class act in my book, yet another player we haven't given a proper chance to (see ephraim and puncheon), wouldn't blame him if he wanted to leave to be honest. Was brilliant when he came on against West Brom, yet swp starts before him again against Liverpool. Must do wonders for his confidence.
 
QPR-Franckster said:
I think the reason for all this, is the divide in players.....Harry said it today (allthough he said he didnt want to name anyone personally) that he knows what the problem is....there are a number of players that dont give a damn, pick up rediculous wages and dont put in a shift.

When you have this, it affects all the players including quality players like Hoilett (who is young and even more susceptible to bad influence).

Its like a virus that pulses out of the bad players on high wages onto the good players on lower wages and you get one big pile of crap.

I know its been mentioned so many times, but Hughes really couldnt have done more wrong if he tried.

Harry has a chance to bring in some good pro's and people that want to work hard.....while either getting rid of the bad apples, or pushing them to train with the youth squad.

My toughts on the bad apples are: Ceasar, Granero, Bonsingwa, Cisse, Zamora, Diakite (depressed and misses home), Park Ji ****stain.

M'Bia is a class player and one of the few decent players Hughes got....allthough he didnt have a great game today, the class is still there.

And then you have Mackie, Hill, Derry and to a certain degree Faurlin.....all players that work hard for the cause, but simply arent good enough at this level.

So here are our good players: Tarrabt, Nelsen (pure class this guy), M'Bia and Traore.

Its not a curse.....its poor signings by the club, hyped way out of proportion to trick the fans into thinking we have signed some top quality.

I was saying to my Brother today that we should have signed players like Snodgrass, players that are exceling in the Championship and want to put the effort in to make the next step up.

Instead we sign over the hill players and they have brought a dark cloud over our younger better players.

And thats what we have today a big group of Mercenaries, influencing the younger better players negatively, proped up by hardworking Championship players.

But we all knew that :)
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i'm sad to think that diakite might be in the 'bad apple' category. he's had some excellent games this season and was great for us last year. Do we really think he's in the boswinga mould or is he just playing badly in a bad side lacking confidence? I rather hope its the latter. if we can retain a few good players out of this shambles the rebuilding process wont be so agonising. I for one hope Diakite can be moulded into something decent - he certainly has potential.
 
chazqpr said:
i'm sad to think that diakite might be in the 'bad apple' category. he's had some excellent games this season and was great for us last year. Do we really think he's in the boswinga mould or is he just playing badly in a bad side lacking confidence? I rather hope its the latter. if we can retain a few good players out of this shambles the rebuilding process wont be so agonising. I for one hope Diakite can be moulded into something decent - he certainly has potential.
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I thought he and M'bia tried their hardest yesterday. But they were both awful, woefully form, looked lost and M'bia's diving was embarrassing. Do these guys know what their job on the pitch is?
 
and this is what im struggling with at the moment. who is actually **** and who is just out of form / lacking confidence? Its difficult to tell when the whole side plays like they did on Sunday. Obviously i'm not referring to the 'tryers' here. We know Hill, MAckie etc have limited ability but their desire to fight for the cause means they're first on my team sheet.
 
QPR999 said:
That is a quality post swords. Something I've been trying to drum up all week. And there it is... Well said again Francky.
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Swords is a quality post a concrete one and has run out of things to moan about. He must have been over the moon his team won yesterday. xx
 
I don't think Diakite is a disruptive player, I just don't think his head is there....remember him being out for ages at the beginning of the season with depression? Says a lot about his mental fragility.
 
The only thing I cant think of is that he must be a lazy player in training, Id ask for a transfer if SWP got played ahead of me in a pub team.
 
Flyer said:
The only thing I cant think of is that he must be a lazy player in training, Id ask for a transfer if SWP got played ahead of me in a pub team.
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Nail on the head Flyer, he should be ashamed a winger who can't score or cross is picked in ahead of him!
 
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