Hillsborough Inquest

I couldn't give a stuff about criticism of fascism. Just find the juvenile labelling of anything you find offensive s being fascistic childish and laughable. Communist governments were just as bad, and often worse, in the treatment of any of their citizens who didn't toe the line. Why not say communistic?

In the meantime, **** you.

 

Then you are probably allowing your prejudice and ignorance to overwhelm your limited understanding, I am pretty sure I haven't labeled anything else as being fascistic. If I have I am sure it would, as in this instance, be justified.

As the forum rules state, and your own juvenile attitude illustrates, this isn't the place to go into the political niceties of your misunderstanding.

It this were not a forum self identifying as too immature to deal with adult discussion of contentious political issues I might try to explain that it is not out of the question for a self styled communist state to behave in fascistic ways. Or vice-versa of course.

 

If only you were as intellectually gifted as you appear to think you are.

 

Come on, now - leave the politics out of this, or it'll get shut down.

It's about Hillsborough, Liverpool fans and solidarity; very bad policing and press lies (The Scum, for example).

Have some RESPECT!

 

Speaking of politics and stupid arguments, I'm off to Question Time tonight, wish I had a decent Hillsborough question before I sent off my application.

Andy Burnham is on though, so it will be brought up no doubt.

 

In various places, this forum others, the Guardian, I have seen class war, the miners strike, Thatcher and loads of other things brought into it, Stanley.

 

I can hear it now, mention of rugby league, still recovering from bombing raids 75 years ago...

If we had beaten Liverpool at BP earlier in the competition things would have been different. And, the policing of that game was a shambles.

 

OK, mea culpa, but I now reserve my politicking for other places, CC.

 

Point taken but in if your suggestion of a lack of respect for the victims were aimed at all in my direction, I reject it.

Challenging the disrespect of suggestions that the actions of the police should just be accepted is fundamental to respecting the memory of the victims and ensuring it never happens again.

Does the phrase "Lest we forget" no longer count for anything?

Perhaps I shouldn't have used such grown up words in such sensitive company but how on earth you think it possible to consider such a gross injustice, perpetrated by the armed enforcers of a corrupt state, aided and abetted by the political and media elite without it being political I can't imagine. I look forward to reading it.

If you weren't inferring that I have showed a lack of respect just ignore the above. In fact just ignore it anyway.

Unless any other dickhead want's to promote state abuse of the public, I've said all I want to.

 

What were the enforcers armed with, you hysterical fanny?

 

In this instance, mainly power, incompetence and corruption.

edit... nice to note no challenge re the corrupt state. We may have found some common ground after all.

 

I just ignored that as it was so pathetic. I have been to countries, fascist, communist and democratic ones where the police and security services really do enforce things and whose people would laugh at those sort of remarks.

So, they weren't armed enforcers? Cheers.

 

I wonder if they'll discuss the Iraq War? It must be several weeks since they last did.
It'll be a late trip back home for the coachloads of Londoners in the audience.

 

The police in the UK in the seventies and eighties were clearly ****s. Maybe not of the level of ****ishness of Franco's or Pinochet's police but still massive ****s.

 

But still probably better than the vast majority of police forces worldwide, I'm afraid.

 

I don't know if this has been put on before but OMG it got me bloody going by the end... Great stuff ...

 

Or East Germany's or Poland's,Bulgaria's, China's, the USSR and numerous others. Of course you will think only those two were bad because they were right wing governments.The French and others were a damn site worse than ours as well.

 

Jimmy McGovern's exceptional '96 docu-drama "Hillsborough" is being re-aired this Sunday on ITV.

Others may remember the episodes in "Cracker", entitled "To be Somebody", where Albie ( Robert Carlyle) was haunted by the Hillsborough disaster. Fitz (Robbie Coltrane ) was the one who brought him to justice for his deeds. Another exceptional McGovern piece of social drama.

All 3 episodes of "To be Somebody" can be found on YouTube if you've never watched them before.

RIP to all those who perished. Hopefully a little bit of closure for the bereaved families and vindication for the fans and people of Liverpool for the misdirected false accusations they have suffered.