natch Agree with most of your comments, besides some of our fans stating how many games they would give him...I said 10-12 with 16 points after 12 games...seems like 5 is the new 10. We had this argument before, on 606, and was not really settled..."what is the difference between FANS and Supporters" ..I am a supporter, that means I give the club and the Ashton gate team and background staff my fullest SUPPORT. HEY do you know what, some of the managers the MILLEN OUT brigade have bandied about being the holy grail are pretty close to us in the league and some of the others are jobless because they have not suceeded SM ...GS...
Get a grip? Lost me there mate... All I'm saying is that Millen is doing his best (which I've already stated I don't think is good enough) and the abuse levelled at him is out of order. I see no abuse levelled at the people employing him though, or even questioning the people who are ultimately in charge which I find quite odd. Seems to me that people are solely laying the blame at Millens door because it's easy enough to do when it's obvious that there's more to it than that.
Natch - now that is a sensible post. SL for all his Mr Bristol City personality has made some big mistakes over the past few years, standing down as Chairman and the fatally flawed appointment of Millen being the latest two gaffes. Before people jump on my thoughts, I know what he's done (and continues to do) for the club and without him we'd be losing at home to the likes of.....let me think..........someone like Aldershot! but our predicament is kinda his fault by and large.........
I'm no fan of Millen and it seems to me that we are just wasting time waiting for him to "come good". However, remember back to our hoorendous start to last season. I recall the message boards being hot wth the same basic comments - "we'll go down if they don't get rid of him" and so on. The fact is that we had a good run for a while and got back into mid-table. I'm not saying that will happen again - I think we're actually going downhill so don't expect it to this year. BUT the fact it did last season will not be forgotten by those at the top who are considering what to do I suspect. It will be easier for them to say - wait and see if it happens again. So I don't think anything will happen even if we only pick up a point or two from the next 2 home games. Sadly.....!
We had a good run last season EVENTUALLY but we couldn't maintain it or any sort of form really He shouldn't have been appointed in the first place He needs to leave the club now He was a crap assistant manager and a crap coach and now he's got the hat-trick he's a crap manager
He was assistant manager during the most successful time in our recent history? Don't really know where you're going with that one to be honest... No idea about him as a coach, unfortunately things aren't working out as a manager either..
'He was assistant manager during the most successful time in our recent history?' Millen has had 8 years influencing our club,why don't we set up a pension scheme for him,he is a hero,he can replace Wedlock,Big John or Alan Dicks..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The man is a good guy,but he is a total ****er at management,get him out...
This cry for a new manager...........................who's to say getting in a new manager is going to solve our recent poor run!! and this...he hasn't got a clue codswallop, the man has been in professional football for many years now, so how on earth can you amateur, sit on your backside merchants have any clue running a Championship football club. Now there is a big difference between constuctive criticism, which some on here do have, than those being dam right rude & offensive about a man who has put his all into helping our football club, if KM thought he was not goodenough, then the man would get out himself, he is a very honest man & I'am sure he would do the right thing, which could well happen. I must say, this Redprintt person, comes to the fore when City are struggling, but disappears when things improves.............................Hey! Redprintt I notice Chesterfield are improving since LJ joined them!!!
And Leicester City, have three pionts less than they thought they would have, and who deprived them of that, good old Bristol City, but of course KM had nothing to do with that!!
He was a crap assistant manager and a crap coach and now he's got the hat-trick he's a crap manager AMAZING HOW some people have no idea what they write and why...agree with JAMBO.. He was assistant manager during the most successful time in our recent history? Don't really know where you're going with that one to be honest... No idea about him as a coach, unfortunately things aren't working out as a manager either.. BUT would add things aren't working out YET as a manager either! WE HAD THE SAME BLEATINGS LAST SEASON.............The man is a good guy,but he is **** at management,get him out.. KEEP ON FOR LONG ENOUGH and maybe it will come true and then it can be said " TOLD YOU SO"
This was posted this am but for some reason it got screwed up, just had it come up on my screen so pushed the post button again.Natch this comment and the rest of your post I tend to agree... "I feel the vitriol aimed at Millen by the majority of fans on this and other message boards has been unfair. He obviously feels that he can turn this around (however misguided that may turn out to be) and doesn't look like falling on his sword anytime soon so we're stuck with him. Steve Lansdown has clearly stated at the start of the season that he was not going to throw piles of money at it again and we'd have to cut our cloth accordingly." We had this argument last season...FAN or SUPPORTER? it was inconclusive, BUT I am a supporter of BCFC. Before I show dissent and begin to feel dismayed with the TEAMS performance I WILL STICK TO MY 12 games /16 points...unlike some that have made comments like, HE NEEDS TO BE GIVEN A CHANCE AND x number games only to lose patience after 5! I support BCFC and all its staff, and leave the decisions to the PROFFESSIONAL and SUCCESSFUL people who run the club, I have managed in the past, run my own small company and like most fans or supporters have wished for every success for BCFC. Could I ever manage BCFC...NO. not the team anyway. the other thing that makes me chuckle is looking back over some of the old posts from seasons past...we need a new manager, HOW ABOUT so and so and so and so or so and so.this from "fans" now calling for KEEF'S head, and guess what? A LOT OF THESE MANAGERS ARE CURRENTLY OUT OF A JOB BECAUSE THEY FAILED or are MANAGING THE TEAMS AROUND US!!!! SM and GS FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY. yes we deserve to win, to be higher,to have more success and it is slow in coming. Yes the manager makes a few oddball ( to us) decisions who he plays and where and when but he deserves to be supported...just remember negativity is not something that targets a singularity it is a contagion... When the time comes SL WILL no doubt say enough is enough, he will have a target in his mind, for those that know the industry he was so successful in....HE WILL HAVE A TARGET, AND EXPECT IT TO BE MET BAYING CONSTANTLY FOR BLOOD is futile, so is preconcieved answers to comments however made or put
"We're in a relegation fight and the sooner we wake up and get angry, the sooner we'll get out of it. You can't hide away from the fact." John these are Millens own words, brave but late,some of us ,despite criticism from the 'happy clappers' have been saing this for a long time.. He is trying to justyfy himself,get him out he is full of spin,we are 23rd in our league and he put us there.....
Nothing to do with the players then wiz, or The Boards decision to turn down 6 Million pounds for a player that clearly wants to leave? Millens a dead man walking on a hiding to nothing and some of the blame could be attributed to him having no money to spend and work with what he's got which is a squad full of sub-standard Championship players.
John, me and you had this argument 9 months ago on old 606 when I was calling for millens head. It was there then fgor all to see, that Millen was NOT the man to take us forward and it was only a matter of time. I used to manage (of course at a much lower level) and one can tell through his set up etc, his decision making, his substitutions that he's clueless. Why have we let this go on for so long??? This argument regarding, Who's to say a new manager would do any better" is plain stupid... We now know where Millens leading us and it's not up that's for sure. I did warn you that he was no good!!!!!!!
I give him 100% respect for wanting to have a go and was obvious he was going to get slated sooner rather than later as the board made the mistake of signing him, 3 year contract was a bit odd, shame it doesn't seem to be working out but he did keep us up last season. His tactics are very strange to say the least but signing wise bought in very good players even though they hardly play, the one bad signing has to be Woolford. Oh we will not be in league 1 next year
'Millens a dead man walking on a hiding to nothing and some of the blame could be attributed to him having no money to spend and work with what he's got which is a squad full of sub-standard Championship players.' He has also got 11 internationals in his squad and 8 of the squad are of his own choice,loanees or signings. I don't agree but it's a personal view and I'm not going to argue with fellow Reds.... I respect their thoughts,happy clappy or fingers up....
Onefor John, me and you had this argument 9 months ago on old 606 when I was calling for millens head. It was there then fgor all to see, that Millen was NOT the man to take us forward and it was only a matter of time. We actually finished in quite a respectful position, and I am not going to bring up the finer points of last seasons campaign to get Millie out. I used to manage (of course at a much lower level) and one can tell through his set up etc, his decision making, his substitutions that he's clueless. During your time as a manager what did you win??? What league and what was the opposition like? I had a forte playing Rugby...but supported BCFC, I WAS SUCCESSFUL FOR A WELL KNOWN quite good team, losses were always single figures, like using just the one hand...but we played some really AND I MEAN REALLY CRAPPY TEAMS..........AMATUER LEAGUES ARE LIKE THAT.............. wiz "We're in a relegation fight and the sooner we wake up and get angry, the sooner we'll get out of it. You can't hide away from the fact." John these are Millens own words, brave but late,some of us ,despite criticism from the 'happy clappers' have been saing this for a long time.. He is trying to justyfy himself,get him out he is full of spin,we are 23rd in our league and he put us there..... IF HE AND THE TEAM 10% of your anger we would be in top 1 ...well maybe 3... I can appreciate your frustrations, and Onefor's in having the knives out for poor old KEEF...same last season before we clicked and zoomed up the table, as for relegation fight...already...give over...where would 2 wins put us!!!! at 9 played and 11points would you cease to call for his head, of course you wouldnt, 11points would put us about 15th, nor would I think we were out of the fire. MOVE FORWARD TO 15 games played and 20 points you still wouldnt, nor would ONEfor.... last season Florest were on 20 pts Scunny on 20PTS ! NORWICH JOINT 23PTS WERE 7TH WITH IPS, COV and Derby!!.............. FUNNY OLD GAME FOOTBALL and it is only a game problem is it has very few winners...1 in the Prem and 3? in the NPC! POINTS TO SURVIVE MORE THAN LAST YEAR...50 THE TARGET, TOP 6...70, SO WE NEED ANOTHER 65...65/39= 1.7 PTS A GAME,,, lose 9 more, draw 12 and win the rest...I would be happy with that.... COUNTDOWN..........
I couldn't help but add my two pennyworth I have said before that the board are to blame for engineering another Tinnion type situation whereby a "Nice" guy is given a job that he doesn't appear able to do.The fact is that the style of play, tactics, results are poor, fans on the whole are disgruntled and fed up, crowds are falling and the club owes 11.5 million, I believe. Unless there is a massive turnaround in the next couple of games, something will have to be done and that looks like it will be KM gone (if the board have the b***s for it). Yes it's the players and boards fault as well but it's always the manager who carries the can and KM must have known that when he took the job. I fear he is probably one of life's number twos. Support him and the team by all means, but there does come a time when we will all have had enough.
Spot on redexile,we are floundering all around,some of us seem to have got so used to this misery,we are accepting it and don't have the stomach to deal with the problem,as you quite rightly pointed out,Millen had to be aware of the up's and down's of management when appointed,he had the glory,the credit,the big money wages for the high times and now he has got to be held to account for his falure,sorry but it goes with the territory..
