Here we go Again...
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Yep.
You seem to have missed the point of the word "abuse". Anyone that thinks that Spurs fans are abusing Jews is delusional.
I don't think you've been listening very well, DL. Baddiel claimed to have been personally abused alongside his brother by a Chelsea fan in a recent game on Talksport earlier.
What a complete contradiction, are you serious?? reduced the problem?? for you to have not heard ANY it would need to have eradicated it...clearly it hasn't...which is all we're saying, now why have you written such a stupid post?
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I've only attended the away fixture in recent years. If its been at Stamford Bridge then that may well be the case
No, I know how to research an answer properly.
The term "Yid" is seen as complimentary among Ashkenazi Jews, the subgroup that can trace their origins back to the indigenous Israelite tribes and make up a mere 84% of the world's Jewish population (which includes between 1/3 and 1/2 of the Jewish population of Israel and at least 70% of the Jewish population of the US) and the term itself isn't expressly in reference to someone being Jewish.
The only issue is it is mispronounced - the correct pronunciation is "Yeed", not "Yid."
Oh dear, you replied to PNP's post#29 with post#40. This would mean to me that by post#40, you would have read post#35...here it is!...
He's a disgrace. Instead of reporting the fans that made him uncomfortable with their anti-semitism, he decided to change where he sat in Stamford Bridge and blame Spurs fans
Once again DL you've either shown stupidity at not reading the thread you've chose to comment on properly, or a wum doing a hapless u-turn? Why would you do either, they're both equally stupid?
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Complete distraction from a really serious issue. As has been said, why is there not the same uproar about use of the N word within the black community? The consensus seems to be (correct me if I'm wrong) that if a black person says it to another black person then it's not offensive. If the Board of Deputies (which do not represent all Jews) say it is offensive it is more likely to be operating in some PC manner outside of any football context and ignorant of what the Spurs community feel about the term. Using the same logic as the N word, it would have be offensive to Jewish Spurs supporters and there is no evidence that it is, in fact (for reasons mentioned) quite the opposite.
A term or word is only offensive if used in that manner.
I was offended as a kid when I was called a 'dirty Yid', I am not offended when we as loyal spurs supporters chant Yid army or the like- in fact I am proud.
I will not be at WHL tomorrow and wish anyone else a happy new year and and well over the fast.
humanbeingincroydon- I remember when Jewish people would greet each other with' Vus machter yid?
I was offended as a kid when I was called a 'dirty Yid', I am not offended when we as loyal spurs supporters chant Yid army or the like- in fact I am proud.
I will not be at WHL tomorrow and wish anyone else a happy new year and and well over the fast.
humanbeingincroydon- I remember when Jewish people would greet each other with' Vus machter yid?
When the Frumers in Stamford Hill tell the supporters to cease and desist,
then we're done with the Y word.
Must be tough indeed for the likes of David Baddiel, to support a club whose
supporters are so moronic that they can prompted to use ANY word in a
derogatory manner, merely by opposition supporters chanting that word in
their songs.
then we're done with the Y word.
Must be tough indeed for the likes of David Baddiel, to support a club whose
supporters are so moronic that they can prompted to use ANY word in a
derogatory manner, merely by opposition supporters chanting that word in
their songs.
At near 11pm after a long and stressful day I think I can be excused for misreading the comment in question. Whatever suits your agenda though of course
A) Said "I" never heard any anti-Semitic abuse
B) Said KIO initiatives "seem" to have eradicated the problem.
Nowhere did I categorically say the problem had been eradicated nor did I deny that anti-Semitic abuse had occurred in the Chelsea v Spurs fixture. Just said I hadn't heard any, when a few years ago it was common theme to hear it.
Read your post, Nowhere did I suggest or say that you said IT HAD been eradicated, You said haven't heard any in recent seasons. This statement from you implies you've attended all games over the seasons you mention to give an informed opinion. Now you say you were tired after a long day yada yada, and admit you haven't attended home games.
What an enormous sac of bollox!
If you're ever tired and don't know what you're talking about again...do us all a favour and stay away from here.
You said you used the word "I"....where is it in your quote?
Seem to have reduced, you said, when?...'seem'? every game against you comes with obligatory hissing...now **** off.
Read your post, Nowhere did I suggest or say that you said IT HAD been eradicated, You said haven't heard any in recent seasons. This statement from you implies you've attended all games over the seasons you mention to give an informed opinion. Now you say you were tired after a long day yada yada, and admit you haven't attended home games.
What an enormous sac of bollox!
If you're ever tired and don't know what you're talking about again...do us all a favour and stay away from here.
You said you used the word "I"....where is it in your quote?
Seem to have reduced, you said, when?...'seem'? every game against you comes with obligatory hissing...now **** off.
Ah, more fabrication of the actual truth followed up with abuse
Ah, more fabrication of the actual truth followed up with abuse
Keep going...all good evidence!
Actual truth...where??, your whole post is
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abuse??
Wow, this thread got feisty.
I don't think this issue is going to go away any time soon with various papers mentioning our fans 'defiance' over the weekend. I'm beginning to get pretty angry about it to be honest. If anything the fact that they have a problem with the word seems more an indication of the institution's own anti-semitism.
What they need to do is ban any use of a derogatory adjective before the word Yid, it is only then that the word becomes an insulting one. Similar to the John Terry racism row - it only became racist with the use of the word "f**king" before "black".
The FA's focus on this chant is a total distraction from the real problem at football grounds, which is homophobia, it's impossible to go to a game without hearing someone being called a ***got, ****ter, cock-sucker etc. It's one of the things I really hate about going to games.
I don't think this issue is going to go away any time soon with various papers mentioning our fans 'defiance' over the weekend. I'm beginning to get pretty angry about it to be honest. If anything the fact that they have a problem with the word seems more an indication of the institution's own anti-semitism.
What they need to do is ban any use of a derogatory adjective before the word Yid, it is only then that the word becomes an insulting one. Similar to the John Terry racism row - it only became racist with the use of the word "f**king" before "black".
The FA's focus on this chant is a total distraction from the real problem at football grounds, which is homophobia, it's impossible to go to a game without hearing someone being called a ***got, ****ter, cock-sucker etc. It's one of the things I really hate about going to games.
The times and rationale for using the Y word is probably long gone.
But I am proud as a Spurs supporter that my peers collectively took that
word and turned it into a weapon against the nasty morons who targetted a particular
ethnic section of our support.
So I want PUBLIC ACKNOWLEDGEMENT of the above.
I want public statements from the FA, Nobody Herbert, David Baddiel, Winston Churchill, Maggie
Thatcher etc commending the Spurs supporters over the years for what they did.
But now is the time to pass the baton on to the clubs, the police etc to root out the final clumps of morons
in the crowds (we'll soon see about that one) .
If the so-called "authorities" can make the statement, then the Spurs supporters can let it go,
and judge them the next time opposition supporters use the Y word, make hissing noises etc.
But I am proud as a Spurs supporter that my peers collectively took that
word and turned it into a weapon against the nasty morons who targetted a particular
ethnic section of our support.
So I want PUBLIC ACKNOWLEDGEMENT of the above.
I want public statements from the FA, Nobody Herbert, David Baddiel, Winston Churchill, Maggie
Thatcher etc commending the Spurs supporters over the years for what they did.
But now is the time to pass the baton on to the clubs, the police etc to root out the final clumps of morons
in the crowds (we'll soon see about that one) .
If the so-called "authorities" can make the statement, then the Spurs supporters can let it go,
and judge them the next time opposition supporters use the Y word, make hissing noises etc.