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Supcon72 said:
Perhaps the “we” collective need to take the blinkers off and look where the “WINNER” finished in his seasons in charge….
He had c£8m to spend during his tenure, at a time when there was ZERO money in football, and he didn’t sell a single player to offset that spend. He then sold, or had some from under him (please, someone in the “WE” collective make a definitive stance on this…) Semenyo and Scott. Yes, it was a bit harsh he didn’t get to spend any of it, but it was clear to a lot of us, and it seems the board, that Nige wasn’t up to it anymore.
If the “WE” collective were and continue to be seduced by a name that had success over a decade ago, that is your prerogative , doesn’t make it true though.
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Finances are not your forte. Your posts have been noted to contain fantasies v facts.

Nigel Pearsons spending was £7.6 million, and in his five windows he brought in nineteen players. Holdens spending was £1.25M for seven players in two windows. The of majority Holdens and Pearson signing cost nothing. Holden and Pearson put the clubs wage bill into reverse.

If we look at Lee Johnson as a comparison what do we see? Total disparity? The majority of signings cost money. The wage bill was on steroids. The club lost record sums of money. Massive spending versus income surpassing the spend during the tenure of McCinnes, O'Driscoll, Cotterill, Holden and Pearson, and we can also include Liam Manning.
 
Cliftonville said:
Finances are not your forte. Your posts have been noted to contain fantasies v facts.

Nigel Pearsons spending was £7.6 million, and in his five windows he brought in nineteen players. Holdens spending was £1.25M for seven players in two windows. The of majority Holdens and Pearson signing cost nothing. Holden and Pearson put the clubs wage bill into reverse.

If we look at Lee Johnson as a comparison what do we see? Total disparity? The majority of signings cost money. The wage bill was on steroids. The club lost record sums of money. Massive spending versus income surpassing the spend during the tenure of McCinnes, O'Driscoll, Cotterill, Holden and Pearson, and we can also include Liam Manning.
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So, £7.6m, isn’t c£8m then…. Also, the original post is comparing Nige to Liam, nothing to do with LJ or DH, yet as always, that’s where you take it…
 
Cliftonville said:
There are wild differences between how BCFC was ran from Lee Johnson to Holden/Pearson to Manning. The differences are so stark the club could have been under differing ownership.
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But it wasn’t under different ownership though, was it:headbang::headbang:
You totally dodged the point about NP having £7-8m to spend despite not bringing in a single penny to fund it, at a time the club had zero to little income due to COVID, and you say he wasn’t backed.
Football pre-COVID and pre-PSR was a different financial beast to today, so comparing back to the spending in the LJ/MA era is pointless, as almost every club was spending that, and much more. You and others always make it seem it was only us and our ownership and managers. That’s the fantasy<doh><doh>
 
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Supcon72 said:
But it wasn’t under different ownership though, was it:headbang::headbang:
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No, but that is how remarkably different the running of the club is. Mr Lansdown's approach to how he runs BCFC is wildly inconsistent. Mr Lansdown put sums into Lee Johnsons time at BCFC that are uneven to any other point during Mr Lansdown's ownership of BCFC - The spending was wild.

Supcon72 said:
You totally dodged the point about NP having £7-8m to spend
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Because he lowered the wage bill .. You dodge the point about costs. Holden and Pearson's squad costs, salaries etc were lower.
 
Cliftonville said:
No, but that is how remarkably different the running of the club is. Mr Lansdown's approach to how he runs BCFC is wildly inconsistent. Mr Lansdown put sums into Lee Johnsons time at BCFC that are uneven to any other point during Mr Lansdown's ownership of BCFC - The spending was wild.



Because he lowered the wage bill .. You dodge the point about costs. Holden and Pearson's squad costs, salaries etc were lower.
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They also didn’t bring in any money to offset costs (until AS x2 were sold) why can’t you seem to get this…..
We all know spending was crazy pre-covid, but we were buying and selling big as well - another point you overlook. It’s like the housing market, we bought and sold a lot of assets at top of the market, then the market crashed, we couldn’t service the payments and had to sell low, or as Nige did, give away assets for free, but everyone was in that game.
Yes, he lowered the overall wage structure, big deal, you or I could have let those contracts run out, so I don’t give him any kudos for that. He also said, consistently that money was available to him, but he wouldn’t spend it if he didn’t think it improved the squad. Therefore, he must have thought he had what he needed, you can’t have it both ways.
Also, at a time of zero income, he handed out the biggest contract to Matty James at £27.5k per week, in City’s history.
 
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Supcon72 said:
They also didn’t bring in any money to offset costs (until AS x2 were sold) why can’t you seem to get this…..
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Players were sold. Nigel Pearson's time saw 30%+ taken off the wage bill, and the books balanced so the club avoided breeching FFP.

In regards to costs you have posted this ..

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WTF indeed. You appear to believe Mr Pearson increased the costs of the club to a point that it lost £22m while selling players for £34m. As I pointed out at the time you posted something that was completely inaccurate, impossible fantasy, so fantastically inaccurate it indicates you cannot understand the topic of the FC's finances.
 
Cliftonville said:
Players were sold. Nigel Pearson's time saw 30%+ taken off the wage bill, and the books balanced so the club avoided breeching FFP.

In regards to costs you have posted this ..

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WTF indeed. You appear to believe Mr Pearson increased the costs of the club to a point that it lost £22m while selling players for £34m. As I pointed out at the time you posted something that was completely inaccurate, impossible fantasy, so fantastically inaccurate it indicates you cannot understand the topic of the FC's finances.
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Name the players he sold and generated income from, outside of AS x2?
 
Supcon72 said:
Name the players he sold and generated income from, outside of AS x2?
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Up in the near future, Pompey, Ryley Towler .. But your point was regarding Mr Pearson managing Bristol City’s financial position, and here you believed that during Pearson’s time two players were sold for £34m and the club still lost £22m, your post was ignorant nonsense, and you still continue to post in the same manner.
 
Cliftonville said:
Up in the near future, Pompey, Ryley Towler .. But your point was regarding Mr Pearson managing Bristol City’s financial position, and here you believed that during Pearson’s time two players were sold for £34m and the club still lost £22m, your post was ignorant nonsense, and you still continue to post in the same manner.
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No, you brought up and mis-stated a post from months ago to suit your agenda. Nothing to do with this post, how much did we get for Towler (that must have taken some research) for your answer<laugh><laugh>

My point at the time was, you and all your Nige luvees were banging on about how he had gotten our finances to even keel, and I asked, is that’s the case, how come we posted £22m in losses. My mistake was not looking at the timing of the £35m in sales, they would have been in the following years accounts.
 
The past and all of it's demons have long since disappeared from view along with the various assortment of managers who got us wherever we were during their tenure. Regrettably we can't change that past and so we need to focus solely on the future, whilst still handling the present, because that's where we are right now. My biggest and ongoing complaint about the way my club is run is the continued effort to be below average and showing little or no interest in improving our lot in life. Bristol City supporters are no different than any others as all they want is to see their club compete at various levels and occasionally achieve some kind of success, whereas we just kick the ball around and hope for some kind of miracle to happen. Whatever happens with or to Liam Manning isn't really an indicator of what Lansdown wants because as we all know very well he will just go out and do the same useless things all over again. Aspiring managers and players must dread the call from Lansdown as it is all falsehoods and empty promises I'm afraid. If you truly want or expect success you need to earn it using your desire to succeed. So sad.
 
Supcon72 said:
No, you brought up and mis-stated a post from months ago to suit your agenda. Nothing to do with this post, how much did we get for Towler (that must have taken some research) for your answer<laugh><laugh>
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a poster caught you out posting bollocks. you must have hell of a sofa to lose 34m down the back of it!!!
 
Cliftonville said:
Yes this post was an absolute state. This was a remarkable thing to post. Exceptional in its ignorance, You clearly could not have understood the topic.
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My point was, and remains, all you Nige luvees said he balanced the books, yet the club lost £22m that year (his 2nd or 3rd) at the club from memory, so he didn’t do as a good a job as you all claim he did. Mainly because he let everyone go for free, which did bring the wage bill down, but did nothing to offset the losses. I have already stated that I made a mistake, in that the £34m in sales would appear in the following years accounts. You may be better at maths than me, but clearly not English comprehension if you failed to take that onboard, again….

On the pitch we got worse, in terms of style of play and league positions. I have no doubt it eats up all you LJ haters, who also seem to be the NP luvees, that he didn’t do a better job for us, despite all his experience….
 
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