Off Topic Have you got a brilliant idea to help improve your community?

Also - shoot those who drop litter. Then find decent jobs for them ol' refuseniks.

 

Yes, you're right; it's too easy to do the punish the easiest target, instead of help them that needs it. I was idle and in the first camp until I read your post. Good lad.

 

And Ticklers, what do you think about Ticklers ...

... available in your local snooker hall.

 

French?

 

Oui

 

Charlie, I do agree with you. The wealthy cream off far more I imagine (that's why their wealthy)
Mostly though, you cannot see them creaming it off (apart from the bonuses advertised in the news) so I can only judge on what I see.
Mums with 10 kids, young guys with walking sticks, young fat people with mobility scooters...the list is endless.

 

Yes I know what you mean but the wealthy/priveledged get away with it because we cannot see it unless highlighted in the press/media and only when they are found out. Then everyone forgets as the they go undercover again and bang we see the benefits cheats on channel 5 to enrage us and hurl our abuse at. Easy targets imo. Doesn't mean they don't deserve some of the comments but it is lack of education through the generations that is to blame. Feckless parents having feckless kids. The wealthy have feckless kids also but they can afford to educate them to a degree and they get employment through Mummy and Daddy. Look at two 'princesses' we have here as a case in point.

 

Totally agree.
Having 5 more kids when you can't afford to feed the first five is criminal to me though. They should be sterilised at a certain point (say 3 kids) or we say no more money.

 

I don't think William Wilberforce would approve of the idea of free labour for the profit of somebody else but picking litter and being paid to do it seems a reasonable enough idea to me especially with this city of Culture thing coming up, no need for the condescending tone either!

 

Charlie has a point about these Channel 5 shows

 

Easy scapegoats for people aren't they, can't stand watching C5 now they have gone so openly political, you wouldn't get them putting on hours of shows about tax evaders after all, wonder why

 

One of the objections to Wilberforce's proposals was that the time taken up in discussing it, held back revisions to child labour laws. A consequence was that children ended up working in appalling conditions and missed out on formal education for decades longer than they needed to.

Spot on about where the real finance drain is. It's compounded because poorer people tend to spend money, whereas the wealthier hang on to or trade it.

 

We are so lucky to be living in the times we are with all the help available so nobody needs to suffer, even in my grandmas day (1920's) she was sharing a tiny room with about 8 family members down Beverley Road in a little hovel, tried to see the site myself but it's no longer there, probably bombed during the war

 

I think sometimes it's easy to forget, or at least not appreciate how fortunate we are to live in this place and at this moment in time. We have relative peace and safety as well as some luxuries other eras could probably not even imagine, but we take for granted.

 

Never voted tory in my life sunshine has youd gave realised from previous posts on here a few month ago
Dont by newspapers has they sre tory led
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Great insight Charlie. You are right about children born with a silver spoon in their mouth. There were plenty of them all around. Think of all the old companies from Hull that disappeared along with their cash. Take Sissons Brothers & Co for example. Where are their businesses now? Trinidad? Borneo? And what are their descendants doing now? Sitting on their arses doing nowt as usual, despite their expensive schooling.

But the question of education is two-sided. I claim there is an anti-intellectual culture among certain parts of the Hull & ER population. Just like the rich, they say it isn't what you know that counts, but who you know. It is all very well interested children going to school, but if they are among children that ridicule them for wanting to learn, well, you have the outcome you see today.

One thing education should do is give children perspective. And the important perspective for Hull children is this; they live in post-industrial society. It is useful to look back and understand how what they see came about, but they should also consider a practical future. In this connexion they will get a shock, because any honest engineer will tell them that their entire urban lifestyle is utterly dependent on oil, coal and gas. Just begin with glass manufacture, or cement. Even the fabulous Siemens windmills are utterly dependent on coal and oil. Anyone who disputes this need only look into how steel is manufactured and to understand that re-cycled steel is pretty much only good for making wire or concrete reinforcement rods. You can't even use re-cycled steel for car bodies because it cracks when shaping it.

People scoff at the idea of Peak Oil. They scoff because they are short-sighted, just as our predecessors were short sighted. They were mostly concerned with here-and-now. But just take away oil coal and gas, and what have we left? Hull will be in a much sorrier state without them. I'd even go so far as to say it will become uninhabitable. Stop sending water from outside the city and Hull has no fresh water.

So here you have an idea for improving the community. Get young people to look to the future. Let them see for themselves the dire future of oil and gas, and let them see that "alternative" energy is utterly dependent on oil, coal and gas. Let them see what is left without oil,coal and gas. They are not stupid, and the brighter ones among them will surely identify their life's calling ... one that will benefit the community too.

Here's a good place to start ...

http://www.withouthotair.com/

 

I see work experience as a vital part of education and yet many employers do not take part and it ends up, that the children take placements where ever they can and not where ever they have an interest.

I believe that a community work experience units should be set up. The aim would be to provide a worth while taste of what employment is actually like. Working with companies to promote industries and services that are facing skill shortages, such as engineering, healthcare and the construction industry. I know this may sound far fetched, but a bit like the Army Cadets but for industry.

 

Well said charlie.

Hugs x

 

Your spot on with that anti-intellectual stuff.

Showing an interest in learning was frowned upon during my time at secondary school. Thousands upon thousands of kids will never have fulfilled their potential because of this culture. That's an absolute travesty of the highest order.

With the benefit of hindsight I just wish I'd had the balls to stand up to it.

 

What the **** are you on about? I was agreeing with you. It is a form of punishing benefit's claimants by getting them to do so-called menial jobs, jobs that should be done by properly paid employment. Try reading posts properly before you get on your high horse.