Hatem Loves Newcastle

You sound like a vole faced little f****t but you are entitled to an opinion as am I. To a degree we nay even both be correct in a way and wrong in another or one of us could be correct. If the latter is the case I'll be correct because I usually am about most things.

I don't understand what the fine has to do with my argument? did you read? It all reminds me of the bellamy issue. If souness played him up front the issue would never have been created.

Pardew is the t**t that manages you at work that doesn't know his arse from his elbow going around bullying people and headbutting people or even insulting the general public.

Hes a tosser

Ive wanted Pardew gone for over a year and unlike everyone else I'll nit change my opinion that the man's an idiot. I'll wait patiently and soon he'll start selecting **** players ahead of better ones making subs that lose matches and ruining players confidence playing them in some weird role he's dreamed up to make himself look clever.

 

It took ages to get a rise out of you, you're slipping

Bellamy was another unprofessional c**t. Another who has left the majority of his clubs under a cloud. He even fell out with Sir Bobby. What did he say "he is the only man I know who could start an argument with himself". I have no doubt had Bobby stayed, Bellamy would have left in similar circumstances. Souness was a useless t**t and did misuse Bellamy, but that did not mean it wouldn't have come to a head at some stage anyway regardless of manager.

Pardew is not to blame for HBA's woes. HBA is. Pardew is not a top manager. Indeed I think a top manager would have had even less patience with HBA. Pardew got the best from him for a very short period. The rest of the time HBA is either overweight or injured or both. I think I did point out that Pardew did not try to change HBA. In what way? He tried to get him to work for the team like every modern professional athlete has to? He can still be the mazy right winger and do that. he himself proved it in that good run of form.

 

Again your absolutely wrong and again you fail to grasp the fundamentals of my argument. Robson would not have let him go because he did it on the pitch. He also could man manage and new he was a striker for starters.

Don't talk to me about professionalism e
When your backing a manager that headbutts players calls other managers old ****s in public and doesn't know how to make a stance for his customers.

I also by the way distinctly remember sur bobby in an interview saying newcastle should not sell bellamy as he was an asset to the club. During the souness saga n all by the way

Ingest that my old c**ker

P's I also remember bellamy winning trophies not sure souness did so well after.

 

In an ideal world HBA would be the ultimate professional and everyone could sing his praises.
Unfortunately, it's not an ideal world and he's not the ultimate professional.
So that's idea f***** straightaway.

The way things are going we'd struggle to give him away, with the total lack of interest in him. Wonder why?
Could do without this lingering on and on and impacting on the new season.

 

Of course, the obvious flaw in this argument about Hatem being unproffessional is Cabaye.

He went on striker to force a move but Pardew still bent over backwards to accomodate him. Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning Ben Arfa's behaviour just staing that Cabaye was back in the team within two weeks of going on strike. It's one rule for Ben Arfa and another rule for everyone else with Pardew.

Examples being:

The whole team was sh*t in the first 45 minutes at Southampton, Pardew hooks off Ben Arfa.

Getting humped at home by Spurs, throw on Ben Arfa and Marveaux with 30 minutes to go and blame the defeat on them.

Getting humped at home by Man Utd, throw on Ben Arfa and Marveaux with 30 minutes to go and blame the defeat on them.

Nothing Ben Arfa has done has been as bad as going on strike. Again I'm not defending the lad, it is most definitely time for him to go. I'm simply pointing out that he could have been managed better it quite a few instances.

 

I don't care about personalities but he'd be worth having if used correctly regarless Benny is going and soon Mr Pardew will need some new bodies to blame.

I betting he'll start with sissoko

 

Neither can be condoned, but I think the big difference is that all of Cabaye's unprofessionalism took place off the pitch, whereas HBA has been unprofessional off the pitch and on the pitch.

In a total contrast to Pardew's reaction though, Cabaye did attract quite a few boo boys from the stands for what he did, whereas there is an (ever-decreasing) section of our support who still blindly chant for HBA no matter how often he keeps proving how unprofessional he is. It's one thing wishing HBA could always be at his best (something I wish myself) but another ignoring all of his faults because of a handful of glimpses of what he can be capable of.

 

He's no ****ing good if he plays ****e as he has done, for ****s sake take off the ****ing blindfold or get your guidedog trained properly.

 

Listen f**k face he was playing well until Pardew started making him double up with the full backs he can't do it. I'm saying use correctly. Pardew blamed him when he wasn't lighting it up as well as defending.the fact is the entire team were playing ****e and continued to be ****e for the rest if the season without Ben arfa.

What did he blame then? The fans at one point

Tosser
Did he ever give up on shola? No he can be **** every game because he is ****.

Blindfold?

Listen sausage bottom don't start with the insults I'm in a different league.

Go on puff you chest out!!! You look like a f**king quail.

Our opinions are both correct in a way.

Pardew needs to go along with Hatem and will be very soon.

 

Play HBA where he is meant to be played...problem solved.

Don't expect him to track back and help defending.....if he want to, great and hats off to the lad.

Coming back to pre-season a bit over weight is silly, fine him, yes..if that's what the policy states, but training with the reserves - **** me that's just childish and totally unprofessional from Pardew.

HBA is in the final year of his contract with us and we should be doing everything we can to either make him a saleable asset or an asset that we want to retain. Both of those require training and playing with the first team, not being be-littled and made to train with kids. Pardew is just a petulant ****ing arse puppet, and has proved that on more than one occasion when pushed (calling Pellegrini an old c**t and headbutting a Hull player). He needs to man the **** up and do what he is paid to do, manage and motivate players. New season, fresh start....wipe the slate clean and earn a place in the matchday squad.

Be interesting to see if he's given a squad number, or if he hands De Jong the No10 shirt. Wouldn't ****ing surprise me if he did that to be honest given the childishness of the bloke.

I'd quite happily take a ****e start to the season if it meant Pardew getting the bullet and someone being brought in who can do a proper job and play players in their proper ****ing positions. He's obviously sucking Rob Elliot off in a big way, so I'm half expecting him to turn out at right back when Jaanmat gets injured.

 

I agree

 

I'm glad you brought the Cabaye scenario up because it is a good example of why HBA is being treated like he is. Lets rewind back to the Cabaye incident. I think we all noted at the time it was wholly unprofessional. Cabaye was treated like a leper by the fans (a treatment HBA is exempt from by the fanboys despite several problems). Cabaye was left out of the opening three games, and Pardew made him apologise for his behaviour to his teammates. Being a proper professional, Cabaye did just that, took his medicine and then apologised to the fans for his behaviour too. he was also fined 80K and accepted it without a peep. So your example perfectly illustrates why this is HBA's doing.

HBA is fined rightly for turning back up overweight (unprofessional). Instead of accepting his punishment, he refuses to accept the assessment of the medical staff (not Pardew by the way). He is a bad egg and always has been from before arrived here up to the present day. He is a 27 yr old manchild. Would it have been so hard for HBA to swallow his pride for once, use his brain and realise he is in the wrong yet again? You've named three instances where HBA as supposedly been treated poorly. I can name dozens where HBA has let us down. Its all just excuses and lookign for a stick to beat Pardew with. There are plenty of good sticks to pick up for that. HBA is not one of them.

 

Sorry there is no place for players who don't track back in the modern game. Why on earth would you have 10 players on a pitch working when you can 11? Look at Mourinho with Hazard. Easily more talented than HBA but left under no illusion of what is expected. I can't think of one. If its good enough for Ronaldo, Bale, Messi etc then I'm sure HBA can do it. As for training with the reserves, that is a direct result of not accepting the fine. If he had been professional and accepted the fine, got on twith his job, he'd be training with the 1st team. But no he knows better and is bigger than the club. What exactly do you expect? Fine him, he refuses it but you just carry on as normal? That's comical, the club would just be an undisciplined mess.

He certainly should be taking the number 10 off HBA. Its not childish its correct. You have to earn the right to wear the shirt. I wouldn't give him a squad number until he filed into rank. There is an old expression which is very apt here, you can't have the tail wagging the dog.

 

Don't know who to blame but I trust my instincts. He is fatter for sure and his genius aside is lazy as ****.
If he didn't score the odd worldy he would rarely get a look in.

 

Fixed

 

Were mot Barcelona or real Madrid new arfa could be used to win games from the bench it's all about management. Your argument is correct but I can't accept Alan pardew talking about behaviours etc he's an arsehole.

Benny will go he may deserve it he may not but Alan will be next and then hopefully we win

 

I agree that the Cabaye situation paints a different picture of the HBA debacle but it's not apples and apples unfortunately. Cabaye had decided in his head that he wanted a move away for whatever reason, pardew keeps him out of the team for the next 3 games cos "his head wasn't in the right place"...what ****ing bollocks. Piss poor ****ing management yet again, same as with Marveaux and to a different extent Gutierrez (alleged payment trigger in contract)..and I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time that has happened at the club either.

We just seem to bounce from one comical situation to the next and fed a pile of bullshit by a ****ing nodding dog. His boss is just as bad, hire joe Kinnear, joe Kinnear leaves....hire him again then fire him again. The word scapegoat comes to mind. Kinnear was pardews, pardew is Ashley's and HBA is pardews now that Kinnear has been given the bullet.

HBA has his faults and he is totally to blame if he has indeed come back overweight...however that weight is made up, but to not even be taken to one side and told that he has a fresh start for a new season but he has to earn it smacks off petulance, arrogance and sheer childishness on pardews part. HBA is not the sole problem with what happened in the 2nd half of last season. Selling Cabaye was the first problem (agree to a pre-contract agreement for him to leave in the summer), but then he wasn't replaced and things just went from bad to worse.

Maybe one day pardew might realise that in his greatest enemy (HBA) he may just find his greatest adversary when he needs it most!

 

Don't take my take on HBA as a ringing endorsement of Pardew by the way. I said at the end of last season I'd have let him go. I would never have employed him in the first place but once you do I believe you have to give any manager three years at least to get through a full cycle. Personnel wise Pardew has overseen an improvement overall (you could argue we have actually taken a step back this summer but time will tell). As I noted in a more serious point earlier, Pardew is not the most professional himself. I just think some fans, in my opinion, have taken their eye off the ball with HBA. You can't have him running amock regardless of manager. I think he was worth the risk we took when we signed him. It just hasn't worked out and I don't believe its management that is the problem. He is just a tricky character to manage, hence most just give up in the end thinking, why bother. If, and its still a big if, Cabella is the quality player being touted and has the workrate, HBA will soon be a long forgotten blemish.

 

I don't think anyone (Pardew included) blames HBA for last season. The whole staff from top to bottom have a share to take in the shambles that was the 2nd half. Ashley leaving us understaffed and demotivating staff with his desire to sell but not replace probably the being the key driver. Even then Pardew, his staff and the players hardly covered themselves in glory.

HBA - The problem is this weight thing is not one instance. Its the on pitch problems we have where he struggles to follow instruction, instead choosing his own brand of mazy schoolyard footy. The loss of possession in the PL is a killer. Its even worse when you then stand and watch your teammates struggle to regain it without your help because you're somehow exempt from hard work. Then there is the constant battle with training and his weight. I get the feeling the club as a whole - Pardew, coaches, players - have had about a enough of his antics. The rumours about fall outs with Pardew, coaches and players in the dressing room may be just that. The odd disagreement is even healthy I would say in professional sport. It does seem to keep on coming up though. Put it this way, if I was the fitness coaches at Newcastle United, I think he'd drive to the brink of throttling him. I find it unbelievable that a professional sportsman tinks its ok to rock in his condition at times over the last two years. Is it that much to ask for him to say to himself "I'll show this prick, I'll get myself super fit, I'm better than these ****s, I'll follow his rules and make it so he has to pick me" Does anyone honestly think Pardew would leave him out if he was fully fit and performing? Would he bollocks. He is selfish just like any other manager, he wants the best players he can get.

 

Can't say fairer than that:


Chris Conway @ChrisConway · 6m

AP: Hatem Ben Arfa needs to show the required professionalism & commitment before he can return to 1st team, but is still part of club #NUFC