Cestria.. What if we not only win today, but go on a really good run that takes us into the top half of the table by Christmas...Would you still want to change the manager? Looking at Bruce's body language he is a man who looks like he is carrying the world on his shoulders, and I know through my life experiences that this doesn't bode well when you have to make important decisions...However, a little bit of luck and a couple of victories could help to lift this pressure, and therefore make decision making easier for him. I do understand how you and others have come to your opinions, but I'm still hopeful that he can turn it around.
Anger? Absolutely right there is anger. When I see the best era in my lifetime being so frivolously squandered by an incompetent manager, who would rather start a fight with his own supporters just because they think what they are watching is garbage (when it clearly is), then damn right there is a fiery anger that burns inside me. Can he come back from this. Not a cat in hells chance. Do I want him to? Absolutely not. Only a fresh and capable mind will save us from relegation and Bruce is neither of these and as for the name calling, its only used to flavour and decorate my sentiments and focus attention on my feelings regarding the situation. I intend to fully enjoy my day with my young daughter and then tune in to the match at 3pm with the lads, to see Bruce hammer yet another nail in his almost finished coffin. Wont be long now until we can all get excited again and behind the whole thing but it wont be under Bungalow Bruce. Thats for sure.
Cestria.. What if we not only win today, but go on a really good run that takes us into the top half of the table by Christmas...Would you still want to change the manager? Looking at Bruce's body language he is a man who looks like he is carrying the world on his shoulders, and I know through my life experiences that this doesn't bode well when you have to make important decisions...However, a little bit of luck and a couple of victories could help to lift this pressure, and therefore make decision making easier for him. I do understand how you and others have come to your opinions, but I'm still hopeful that he can turn it around. You speak of a scenario that you know in your heart wont happen though RAW. There isn't a supporter in his right mind that would sack a manager that is performing but the facts are that since January this year, he has been simply awful and not that far from the 15 and 19 point seasons. This is in fact our worst start since that 15 point season and if thats not a worry to you then fine. It scares the **** out of me. If he has started the season with the right personnel (having recruited what we all said all summer we needed) and suffered some set backs we would have all still been behind the man. I wanted him out last May but agreed that I would reconsider over the summer and give him a second chance. 1 win in 8 games (9 if you include the cup game) is more than a second chance and he has blown it. I bet you wouldnt bet your house on him going on a magical winning run between now and Christmas but I would happily put mine on a bet that he wont. Bruce is about as dead in the water manager as Sbragia was and we only narrowly avoided relegation back then. I cant see much of a difference between what Sbragia did and what Bruce is doing now (seriously I can't except Bruce is earning 10 times more) and relegation is a massive gamble again for the club. Can you honestly put your hand on your heart Syd and RAW and tell me that you dont think MoN or Mark Hughes couldn't get a better return from this set of players than Bruce is currently? Bruce is the problem now not the players.
here is a question for you whould you swap players with newcastle at the moment keeping everything else
irst point is yes but the anger is directed at people who dont agree and First point is yes but the anger is directed at people who dont agree and second what good does anger do, does it make you feel better, never has with me so I try and keep it down. Better for the blood pressure and no, you can be passionate and care without anger.
Can you honestly put your hand on your heart Syd and RAW and tell me that you dont think MoN or Mark Hughes couldn't get a better return from this set of players than Bruce is currently Huges not sure but MON yes I could
No not really. I would probably have Coloccini alongside Brown in central defence, Cabaye in midfield alongside Vaughan and Ba alongside Bendtner to score the goals but otherwise they are not that good a side mate and we are not that bad. The problem lies with the tube selecting the team and managing the players. A new manager imo, could get so much more out of these players and will undoubtedly recruit the players we need in January to enable us to climb the table. I wouldnt trust Bruce to do my weekly shopping currently, as if I were to ask him for some apples, he'd buy bananas and then try to convince me that they were apples all along. Pardew gets the best out of what he has at his disposal and tactically is far better than Bruce. I just hope and pray that we go for Martin O Neill sooner rather than later and you can have fat-boy back when you sack Martinez. Bruce is better suited to your size club and trust me I dont say that in any kind of condescending way at all mate but managing players to play in front of 15,000 is far easier fro him than the 40,000+ at the SOL. He is out of his comfort zone and his depth with us and thats not saying we are Man Utd either.
I don't think Hughes has ever done anything in football management which would make me believe he is the man for us. MON on the other hand would excite me, but has he still got the appetite for the game? All I'm saying is that if Bruce starts getting results then he will have my backing; if we continue on a downward spiral, I would expect that Short will lose patience and change things.
ok then whould you swap manager with newcastle but if you do you have to take ashley to... if you say no you keep bruce for the next season but short funds you
mate i did an artical on this not to long ago come have a read its on the wigan page its called bruces problem it talked about just that
Today's game is especially tricky because nobody knows how good or bad Bolton are. Eight games into the season and they've already played last season's top six! Anybody would have had their start with that fixture arrangement. So we don't really know what we're dealing with. What scares me a bit is that they have a 55% shooting accuracy this season - the highest in the Prem. - so our defence and goalkeeper had better be on top of their game. And they haven't been. Having said that, they lost at home to Norwich recently. Bruce? I think it's gone too far for me. But I don't really believe it matters what the fans think - the club's grown so distant from us, and I feel the board fully intend to keep Bruce for the long haul barring almost certain relegation. I seriously doubt he'll be gone in 2011, no matter what.
RAW - I have been very clear that Martin O Neill is my overwhelming choice as manager and I have been saying this since Keane left. He has overcome the personal issues now with his wife's illness and I think looks refreshed and raring to go on the UEFA Cup programmes lately. He would be a unifying voice in a very disunited red & white support currently imo. There will be a handful not happy but they will be a minority. My concern about when Short acts though. Blackburn may well be looking for a new man soon, as may Wigan and Bolton and of we are not careful we will be left without alternatives very soon if MoN goes elsewhere in the meantime. Defeat today and v Villa and hopefully we can all get behind the new man again.
I dont want Pardew or Bruce. I'm happy with Ellis Short and I want desperately MoN and have done for years. I am just being honest mate. Just as the likes of Van Gaal and Hiddink would think of us as not much of a club, or a challenge for them (they are Champions League managers after all) Bruce is out of his depth trying to match the Sunderland fans desire to be a top club. We have been hapless for 50 years but have a very proud and successful history. We need a manager capable of re-igniting that history and Bruce can never be that man. It was his first really big challenge in management and he has failed in so many levels imo its embarrassing. Managers come to clubs at certain levels. Bruce is a Huddersfield, Wigan, Crystal Palace and Birmingham to a lesser extent, manager. Good clubs but with smaller fan bases and less demanding ambitions from them. At Sunderland we have had to put up with decade after decade of dross and second rate managers (3rd rate on some occasions) and we are just sick of it. What we want is relatively ordinary in reality, just being a solid mid to top half EPL club that can give the cup competitions a go now and again. With the finances available today at the club and the settled boardroom we have in place, we are still canon fodder at this level and Bruce looks like a man with the world on his shoulders, as said by my colleague earlier in this thread. He is totally baffled why his tactics and ideas are not working at SAFC and the fans are not buying his constant excuses and whinging any more. He cant turn this round now and another defeat today at Bolton will be another nail in his career coffin at the club imo. He would be better off with Wigan and would probably be a success for you and make you a solid outfit again. He cant do it at a higher level and is yet another of Fergie's children that wont be replacing him anytime soon at OT. If SAFC are too big for him he would be crucified at Old Trafford, favourite ex-player or not. Good luck today BTW mate. Hope your team stuffs whoever you may be playing. Lol
I think I want Bruce out now. I've been a fan all through last season and the summer, but now it's got to a point where every week I'm hoping he'll turn a corner, and every week he doesn't. It's exactly decisions like persisting with Elmo (who I couldn't believe how many times he gave the ball away just running aimlessly last weekend) and his inept subs which have made me lose faith. Saying that, yes Cest I can see a way back for him, and it's as simple as it ever has been - results. If he takes us on a good run (to match the start of last season) then I'll give him time. Like we had a great start and awful finish to last season, we could have a bad start and great finish this season. Can he get the ball rolling and take us up the table? - Probably not. Would I like him to? - Definitely yes. The thing that gets me is overreaction. Cest you've stated a couple of times that relegation 'could be the end for the club'. Unsure about that - we'd probably just be playing in the Championship. Worst case, we do a Leeds/Southampton and end up in league 1. And some people have talked about Bruce 'wasting a fortune' - that could be said for Keano, but not Bruce. Hasn't he got a positive balance sheet from his time in charge? If not positive, then he's spent about £10m on transfers over 5 windows. Hardly a fortune.
It had gone too far at the end of last season if I'm honest, the good old 10th place finish routine just papered over the cracks now however the cracks are showing all too often. Having said that I wouldn't be too upset if Bruce was still in the job next week, as that would mean we won.
For me he has shown himself to be tactically inept and plays too negatively so I would like a change. But there is always a way back Cest, he wins 10 in a row and all forgiven, or signs messi in jan
:emoticon-0158-: I would setlle for anyone who will play the players to their strenghts. Failure to deliver 3pts today and he must fall on his sword. But knowing Bruce he will in all probability miss.is up.
Cest - dunno what you see in MON. Agree with everything said by Syd and MrRAW on this thread. Come on Brucey, you can do it!!!! Bart
