Other clubs make money from having additional businesses at the ground. Like Derby and Reading. The idea of having more than just on event for fortnight making money was Allam's originally and it actually made sense. The fact we average only 15,000 in the Championship is down the club not marketing itself anywhere near well enough. Allam is in charge but has done nothing about it. I didn't actually argue that the PL does nothing to reduce a club's debt burden, though I don't think it's far wrong. The increased wages that come with promotion along with agents fees and everything else mean clubs like ours don't make much money from it. Look at teams like Burnley and Blackpool who tried to make money from it and accept relegation. They're not loaded now are they? Southampton would be a lovely model to follow, but it requires a ridiculously rich owner to die and leave a massive fortune to the club which isn't something every club can have. Improving youth facilities would cost loads too so it's not really an option without a benefactor, or the club making some money on its own. All of this is irrelevant anyway. The point is we can't simply expect to spend nothing next year and make money. It won't happen. We're unlikely to even try to do it that way. This is all assuming we stay up which isn't anywhere near certain anyway. Whichever way you look at it the finances at the club are totally buggered and we need to do something about it. Allam refuses to on principle even if others do the work for him.
He seems to think that squeezing an extra £5k a year from disabled fans or laying off the odd £15k pa employee will fix our problems. It'll take something much bigger than that.
I have a plan which you will buy into. I win the Euro lottery and it is megabucks. I buy out the old duffer. I buy the ground and the area from the council. I kick Hull Fair out. I will give a shareholding to local companies for a stake in building the club up. From this shareholding the local companies will give discounts to Hull City pass-holders. Win-win for everyone. The ground will be built up to 35,000 capacity. I will reduce prices so the average family can afford to go. I will give schools free tickets to some games. The players will visit the schools and hospitals every week and hand out signed shirts, photos etc. The City of Hull will become awash with black and amber. Plastics who follow MU, Lpool, arsenal etc will be booed as they walk down the street. we will operate a 3 strikes and your out. If caught wearing the scum shirts in the street they will receive the cat (tiger) of nine tails in a public flogging as an half-time entertainment at City. Food and beer will be provided at 30% of the current price. Foreign takeaways in the area could earn revenue by selling shirts to their families who are based overseas. 50% of the profit to Hull City AFC, 50% to the takeaway owner. Hull City will embrace the City of Culture 2017. Egg chasers will be removed from the stadium and caravan park will be updated to facilitate both HFC and HKR. Egg chasing shirts will only be allowed to be worn on matchdays. This is so easy. If you are reading this Assam I have many more ideas. Anyway, I better go and get my ticket. Wish me luck
You don't get promoted if you don't invest in the team and you don't have a hope of staying up without significant further investment. The alternative is staying in the Championship with dwindling crowds and therefore less ability to service the debt.
Posted with no sense of irony. Your blind hatred of Mr Allam gives you zero perspective of what you're saying.
What you on about? Our owner is holding us back refusing to do any business with the one party that matters. You're deflecting it onto Adam Pearson because you for some reason have an issue with the guy who saved our club twice as many times as Allam. It's a moot point because he never claimed he was able to do it in the first place. You're sometimes good at debating, but other times you just resort to nonsenical laughter for no obvious reason. If you don't have a point to make don't pretend to. **** or get off the pot.
You are a ****ing idiot with a blind hatred of the Allams. Simple as that. You cant and will never see the how stupid what you just wrote is.
Do you think a £100million development including 10,000 extra seats, a hotel, a car park and a sports complex is going to launch us into the stratosphere of football? Also how long do you think it would take to pay off that additional £100million given that we don't exactly lock out 10,000 people every home game?
You simply can't debate. Whenever it comes down to a proper discussion there's always something for you to laugh at and make out someone's being stupid. Just look at what's being said and drop all the crap. No, but it'd certainly help. Our finances are appalling. I also think it's ironic that someone defending the man who claims changing the name will launch us into the stratosphere of football, tries to make a sarcastic quip about an actual real development doing the same.
I've defended you before and (like now) I also disagree with you. It isn't about being in the anti-Allam club and hating him on principle as you do, it's about taking each situation individually. So anyway back to my question, how long do you think the proposed £100million KC development would take to pay itself off and then start making inroads into the existing debt?
I don't hate anyone on principle. Why would I? That makes no sense. Like anyone, I dislike people because of their actions. Allam's ridiculous actions at the expense of my football club make me dislike him. As the idea was that it was a 'gift for the City of Hull' there wouldn't have been a cost to the club. If the proposal was changed completely and the club was paying for a big development itself (which I'm not even sure would be financially possible due to the shoddy state of our finances) then I don't know how long it would take but I imagine the other clubs who've done it will provide a reasonable indication. Other clubs make money and we don't. We're obviously doing something wrong. What was it you said on the other thread? Speculate to accumulate? Does that only apply when it suits? However long it took, it'd be more profitable than any name change, that's for sure.
I've never claimed a name change would be profitable. Also it's easier to speculate about the rewards on offer in the BPL because the pay-outs are pre-defined (and as I said before every club owner in the country is desperate to get in on it). As for the development of the KC maybe Coventry's Ricoh Arena disaster suggests a club has to achieve success on the pitch before entering into bold, expensive and highly risky schemes.
I completely agree that the PL is the place to be. Don't get me wrong on that. But we clearly need to do more. We're in the PL, getting the TV money, not even spending that much on players (a lot by our standards but nothing compared to other teams). We need to make more money. The situation we're in is really awkward because we need to stay up but also need to make more money quickly to support that.
â¦.Together with his son Ehab, Assem Allam has transformed Hull Cityâs fortunes beyond all recognition. But as the duo celebrate the third anniversary of their familyâs reign at the KC Stadium today, the 74-year-old philanthropic (Philanthropy means "love of humanity" in the sense of caring for, nourishing, developing, and enhancing "what it is to be human" on both the benefactors' (by identifying and exercising their values in giving and volunteering) and beneficiaries' (by benefiting) owner could be forgiven for wanting to step out of the limelight. Even if only for a moment* If his first season was all about fighting financial fires which were not of his making, this campaign has seen the Egyptian-born businessman throw himself firmly into the spotlight* Announcing his plans to call the club Hull Tigers on the eve of the clubâs return to the Premier League was not a case of great timing* With 19 points taken from their first 16 games, Steve Bruceâs side have taken to the top flight with ease Love him or loathe him, itâs certainly been an eventful* Suffocating debts have come and gone, thanks to £72m of Dr Allamâs personal fortune,- (not according to the accounts⦠) Judging by their track record over the past 36 months, ⦠it is sure to attract plenty of headlines* * ⢠-In 2005, psychologists Belinda Board and Katarina Fritzon at the University of Surrey, UK, interviewed and gave personality tests to high-level British executives and compared their profiles with those of criminal psychiatric patients at Broadmoor Hospital in the UK. They found that three out of eleven personality disorders were actually more common in executives than in the disturbed criminals: ⢠Histrionic personality disorder: including superficial charm, insincerity, egocentricity and manipulation ⢠Narcissistic personality disorder: including grandiosity, self-focused lack of empathy for others, exploitativeness and independence. ⢠Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder: including perfectionism, excessive devotion to work, rigidity, stubbornness and dictatorial tendencies
You should read the response you've given above in an Egyptian accent and pretend for a minute you are Mr Allam facing that exact same dilemma. The name change won't make money, you're right, but the whole thing seems like an act of desperation by a man who is running out of alternatives. It would be more productive if we accepted his plans are flawed, but his motives are good and try to offer help and ideas rather than waging war.
