Whereas you just talk utter **** and don't even attempt to claim it is logical sense. And then call us all ***gots, what was it you were saying about schoolyards? Nice bit of homophobia there to support your 'argument'
i've demolished you several times in the past on this subject, so much so that you even had United fans who supported you begging for me to spare you. I didn't start this post, I didn't carry this bollcks on, you did: and once again you and your flying monkeys (including that ****bag samuel) are being deliberately evasive on the one article of evidence that can be clearly proved to be a lie - Did or did not Evra state that the reason he changed what he thought he'd been called was that he doesn't like to use the word '******'? Did or did he not use that very word immeadiately after the game to describe what he had been called to the same referee he claims he couldn't bear to say the same word to whilst he was on the pitch/ Did or did not Evra have no problems uttering that word on TouTube? So Swarbs, it was eight years ago and since then our boy Patrice has gone through some form of Damascene conversion since then about using the word.... WHICH LASTED TO THE END OF THE GAME WHEN HE TOLD FERGUSON AND MARRINER WHAT HE'D BEEN CALLED? Really? Yes, had this gone to a real court even I would have loved to represent Suarez faced with a chief witness for the prosecution like that, and with a complete lack of evidence that Suarez said anything than other he said he did. And Christian - saint Suarez, when on earth did I say that? Luis Suarez is a gobsh!te up there with Evra, the Ferdinands and Terry. But he's no more provably racist than Rio, and less than Evra and Terry. He's certainly not a proven liar like Evra. As was said right from the off, he shouldn't have retaliated to Evra's calculated, racist slurs, even if the phrase he used in reply was sarcastic at worst. He and the club should have made an apology from the off, whilst highlighting the aggressive and unreasonable behaviour that yet another United player has instilled in them the attitude that they can get away with with absolute impunity: a sense of entitlement that is promoted from the very top of their club and a complicit FA. But, just as I said to you over the Anton- Terry case, there's far, far worse cases of racism (in all it's guises, noy just white on black that you, United posters on this board and the FA seem to think is its exclusive manifestation) and this was this just an exercise in naked opportunism by United, the FA and single-issue pressure group who want their fifteen minutes in the media spotlight. Christ, remember the hysteria of reina's Spanish TV advert being 'banned' for racism? It wasn't. And Oliver Holy assuring us via text from his hotel bedroom 3000 miles away in Dubai that an oldham blayer had been called a 'Black bastard'? He hadn't, and the police investigation into it proved so. So, SAF, the FA and various 'race' groups (that is exclusively black pressure groups who don't give a damn when a black person themselves is the instigator of a hate crime, as in the choc-ice case) have got the hysterical, witchhunt atmosphere they wanted, and Suarez will need a centre-back to take a sledge hammer to his knees in the box to get a penalty, and even then he'd probably get booked for diving; the FA has a bright shinny badge of anti-racism to flash at sepp Blatter, and they still got their racist centre-back and former captain to play in the Euros for them, and as long as it takes until they actually get around to building a half-arsed case against them, and their 'racist' manager of the U21's continues with no censure at all. The single-issue race groups have got what they want too - all the Englishmen accused of racist behaviour, Rio, terry and Pearce walk away relatively scot-free, whilst the greasy dago from latin america who barely speaks English and responds to a torrent of racial abuse in Spanish with the vernacular of his mother tongue is vilified by a obsequious English press. way to go in the stance against racism - lynch the foreighner!
Yawn ******ed moron rising to the bait yet again... Stopped reading after the first sentence. Suarez is a low life who has been banned for 8 matches for racial abuse...FACT
It has nothing to do with being professional. It has to do with personal choices, as Anton Ferdinand showed the other week. Whilst I cannot speak on behalf of Evra, I would imagine that the majority of black people I know would not have shook hands with Suarez (if indeed they truly believed that they had been intentionally racially abused). I am sure that United would not have ordered Evra to shake/not shake, so it was up to him...and he decided (apparently) to shake his abuser's hand! It seems that Evra was determined to let the whole matter drop, his willingness to shake hands being one example, his refusal to take the matter to the police being another! Part of me thinks that Evra believes that he was lucky to escape punishment for his part in the whole affair, and therefore he wanted to quickly move past it. I mean why else would you refuse to report what is a serious matter to the police, it's okay saying he left the FA to deal with it, but considering the way they did deal with it, it could easily have been 'not proven' and then Evra would have been left in an awkward situation. Surely he should have taken it to the police if he was so certain about what had happened. Why would you leave it up to a panel of 3 blokes with no real experience in this sort of thing rather than let the law deal with it properly, you know the system that is actually there to deal with this sort of thing? Why would anyone ever not want the police to deal with such a serious offence?
Not everyone feels the need to run of to the police after being called a nasty name, he probaly felt that the matter would be better dealt with in house.
To be fair to Evra, once he was informed that "negro" translated as "black" rather than "******", he didn't seem that eager to push forwards with the whole thing. He accepted Suarez wasn't racist and hadn't intentionally abused him, and would probably have put the whole thing aside had Suarez or Liverpool made even a token apology to him. Problem was by that point the FA and media had gotten on board, so the disciplinary process was in motion and the FA were understandably unwilling to back down. Although given the amount of intentional character assassination directed at Evra by Liverpool during the course of the whole affair, I reckon he was probably pretty happy to see LFC suffer as a result of the whole thing. Guess it raises the whole question of whether Suarez would have received such a long ban had he apologised and shown public contrition, like John Mackie did. As for getting the police involved, I think most footballers would shy away from that sort of thing. You are taught to respect the decision of the referee and the disciplinary process of the FA - you wouldn't go running to the police if you were kicked or punched on the field, so why would you do so if you are abused?
My OP was about forcing people to shakehands and how this shaking hands business has turned into a focus for the media to latch upon whenver there is any animosity between two players. "let's see what happens when X plays Y...because Y has shagged X's wife, dog, sheep etc " Some ****** called Dorka or Dango or something like that will use any opportunity to write tomes to explain how Suarez shoiuld not have been banned for X matches and that evra was as guilty....F***king BORING as hell and need to be left behind. Let's move on FFS.
Maybe so. However, we all know how inept the FA can be at times...in fact the Emre incident was handled pretty poorly by them (and iirc that was the only time they have ever attempted to discipline a player for using racially abusive language), and the case could not be proven. So why take a chance that the FA would **** it up when you have every right to take the matter to the police and thus get it dealt with in a correct and lawful manner? As I said earlier, I can't speak for Evra, but he seemed pretty offended, so much in fact that he couldn't even repeat the word that was supposedly used. There is no way that I would have let the FA deal with something as serious as that given their track record and history of ineptitude, and I am not sure many others would either!
Well the FA are inept but why would he want to bother with having to go to court and all that nonsense for taking some abuse on the football pitch, other players have recieved worse i imagine and never bothered going to the police with it. Like you i have no idea what Evra was thinking but if someone was giving me abuse at work and i couldn't personally deal with it reporting it in house is usualy the next step.
I think most of what you say is close to the truth, and you can guarantee that given the situation again, Liverpool and Suarez would have apologised for any offence caused straight away. As for not reporting the matter to the police, if racism in football is to be tackled effectively then I am certain that the FA are not the people who are going to be the people who do it. They are too agenda driven, and do not have the necessary experience in dealing with the issue imo. There is a fine line I think between what should be dealt with and what cannot be dealt with by the FA and racism imo is too big an issue and has much more deeper consequences than say adjudging whether an elbow was used or not! If the FA had a policy whereby all racism matters were directed to the police then at least there is some consistency, rather than the recent situations where one guy is judged by the law and the other is not...it makes it all look rather farcical and to me a clear policy is needed if racism is to be tackled effectively!
The reason he would bother to take it to the police is that firstly it is deemed a criminal offence and secondly why risk the FA ****ing it up knowing that a similar case had resulted in the alleged abuser getting off with it because the FA were out of their depth and did not deal with it professionally. Also, would you feel comfortable reporting your issue in house if the last time a similar thing happened, it was messed up and the matter was not dealt with effectively? I wouldn't! Anyway, maybe they should have just shook hands on the day at Anfield and forgotten about it, that's what Suarez wanted, but Evra wanted to take it further...not too much further though...just far enough in order to get a favourable 'result' and then forget about the whole thing! For me racism issues should not be dealt in such a way, there is a system in place that deals with this sort of thing and it does not involve three blokes sitting in a motel room off the M6 having a chat!
