GW Sacked

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i agree with the decision to relieve waddock of his duties,i feel sorry for him because he seemed a decent bloke when i met him last season and i wish him well in the future.the cold hard facts are that he lost the faith of the fans and he lost the dressing room.we should have enough in our squad to stay in this division easily,but we need a leader to guide the troops.a new manager often changes the fortunes of his new club and lifts the spirits and let's hope so in this case.the trust clearly had to act with the club suffering on and off the pitch,the crowds were going down at an alarming rate and the football was awful.i havent a clue who the trust will appoint but let's hope they get it right.
 
I'm not interested in someone coming from a higher league (John Gregory, Alan Smith).

The main criteria for me is someone who:
- can motivate all the team to perform above their collective individual levels
- earns the respect of all the squad
- has a footballing mind, can analyse opponents, read the game and make effective tactical decisions
- has grit, a never say die attitude and able to instil this in players at all times

Who is this:

"He was promoted to player-coach, but when xxxxxxxxx became manager he removed his coaching responsibilities. He responded by requesting a transfer and moved to Ayr United, where he finished his playing career in 1974.

In June 1974, he was appointed manager of East Stirlingshire, at the comparatively young age of 32. It was a part-time job that paid £40 per week, and the club did not have a single goalkeeper at the time. He gained a reputation as a disciplinarian".

What CV did he come with?
 
Ron said:
I'm not interested in someone coming from a higher league (John Gregory, Alan Smith).

The main criteria for me is someone who:
- can motivate all the team to perform above their collective individual levels
- earns the respect of all the squad
- has a footballing mind, can analyse opponents, read the game and make effective tactical decisions
- has grit, a never say die attitude and able to instil this in players at all times

Who is this:

"He was promoted to player-coach, but when xxxxxxxxx became manager he removed his coaching responsibilities. He responded by requesting a transfer and moved to Ayr United, where he finished his playing career in 1974.

In June 1974, he was appointed manager of East Stirlingshire, at the comparatively young age of 32. It was a part-time job that paid £40 per week, and the club did not have a single goalkeeper at the time. He gained a reputation as a disciplinarian".

What CV did he come with?
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<laugh>

In your dreams Ron, in your dreams :grin:
 
Ron said:
Just making the point that there are some things far more important than a CV. All the best managers started somewhere, without experience.
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No doubt about that Ron, Paul Lambert was highly rated but had achieved nothing when he took over our pathetic excuse of a team 3 years ago. However Fergie was a little different, he had performed miracles at Aberdeen (European trophy included), all the same your point remains valid, all you need to do is find the right guy and does not have to be a "known guy"
 
ThaiCanary said:
No doubt about that Ron, Paul Lambert was highly rated but had achieved nothing when he took over our pathetic excuse of a team 3 years ago. However Fergie was a little different, he had performed miracles at Aberdeen (European trophy included), all the same your point remains valid, all you need to do is find the right guy and does not have to be a "known guy"
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couldn't agree more.........scotty will do for me along with brownie and or rhino <ok>
 
ThaiCanary said:
No doubt about that Ron, Paul Lambert was highly rated but had achieved nothing when he took over our pathetic excuse of a team 3 years ago. However Fergie was a little different, he had performed miracles at Aberdeen (European trophy included), all the same your point remains valid, all you need to do is find the right guy and does not have to be a "known guy"
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Fergie retired from football in 1974. Obviously no CV for the job, he was manager of St. Mirren from 1974 until 1978, producing a remarkable transformation of a team in the lower half of the old Second Division watched by crowds of just over 1,000, to First Division champions in 1977. The average age of the league winning team was 19 and the captain, Fitzpatrick, was 20.
 
Ron said:
Fergie retired from football in 1974. Obviously no CV for the job, he was manager of St. Mirren from 1974 until 1978, producing a remarkable transformation of a team in the lower half of the old Second Division watched by crowds of just over 1,000, to First Division champions in 1977. The average age of the league winning team was 19 and the captain, Fitzpatrick, was 20.
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He's also literally, one in many millions!!! I get what youre saying about giving a new guy a shot Ron but there are plenty of examples of people being given jobs as rookies and it going badly wrong (Adams, Hateley etc). I dont want a show pony manager who is going to be on a massive contract and who we'll have to pay off but thats more to do with the contracts negotiations and how far the Trust can stretch their cash.

Id be happy with Andy Scott. I still dont think giving Rhino or Brownie a shot is the answer. Maybe bringing them in as part of a new coaching structure would help but not as main man. Neither have ANY experience - people are asking what would happen if either/both came in and werent successful......basically, we'd be looking for a new manager at Xmas, we'd have a club legend looking daft and we'd probably be languishing at the bottom of the table. Lets not forget also, that a manager who has managed somewhere before will have links/contacts to players that may be helpful.
 
Its true fergie is one in a billion but they all have to start somewhere.

Thats not to say i'd neccesarilly want an ex-wycombe player i think at times like this the mind runs wild with names being thrown about all over the place. I think Ainsworth should be given the reigns in the short term as we all know he plays with heart passion and enthusiasm and more importantly he has the respect of the players and the players themselves know full well that there faces may not fit in a new managers plans.

But the point about appointing an experienced manager with a point to prove is also warped with catastrophe so what ever way you look at it it is a gamble. By the way devon, you cant really say rhino has no experience likewise with brownie and scott. rhino and brownie were both on the coaching staff when gorman was here when we played some decent stuff and scotty has managed in the lower leagues just like many others who learned there trade before moving ontho the football league.

But Andy Scott??? Well, having connections with brentford - through family they say a lot of people felt he was harshly done by and certainly so at rotherham, so i dont think thats a bad call. But lets wait a bit and see how it goes with ainsworth.
 
gravey5174 said:
Its true fergie is one in a billion but they all have to start somewhere.

Thats not to say i'd neccesarilly want an ex-wycombe player i think at times like this the mind runs wild with names being thrown about all over the place. I think Ainsworth should be given the reigns in the short term as we all know he plays with heart passion and enthusiasm and more importantly he has the respect of the players and the players themselves know full well that there faces may not fit in a new managers plans.

But the point about appointing an experienced manager with a point to prove is also warped with catastrophe so what ever way you look at it it is a gamble. By the way devon, you cant really say rhino has no experience likewise with brownie and scott. rhino and brownie were both on the coaching staff when gorman was here when we played some decent stuff and scotty has managed in the lower leagues just like many others who learned there trade before moving ontho the football league.

But Andy Scott??? Well, having connections with brentford - through family they say a lot of people felt he was harshly done by and certainly so at rotherham, so i dont think thats a bad call. But lets wait a bit and see how it goes with ainsworth.
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I take on board the point about the pros and cons re: an experienced manager. However, you cant equate Brownie and Rhino's time on the WWFC coaching staff as the experience that may be required to get us out of a potential relegation battle. Ive coached kids football, does that count as experience?

You are right about everyone has to start somewhere and I understand Rocky's point about Brownie/Scott/Rhino giving the team a massive lift. But we've been here before - Adams took over when we looked dodgy and his inexperience/inability made us worse. Equally I dont think we should be paying top dollar for 'big name'. That why Andy Scott gets my vote- proven at this level and probably wouldnt cost too much! :)
 
Some good points being made, making this thread very interesting.

Devon's point about having contacts is a valid one as we will need loan players throughout the season. The examples of inexperienced managers put forward though are typical of those who definitely wouldn't meet my criteria, so I wouldn't let them put me off when considering someone lacking in experience. They must have the required aptitudes; something which many experienced managers do not have.
 
Don't forget that GW was proven at this level and appeared to be a Godsend when he arrived. I wouldn't want to be making this decision in a hurry, which is why I would would be happy to be managerless for a while with Ainsworth being the interim motivator.
 
Ron said:
Don't forget that GW was proven at this level and appeared to be a Godsend when he arrived. I wouldn't want to be making this decision in a hurry, which is why I would would be happy to be managerless for a while with Ainsworth being the interim motivator.
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Yes agree completely. Give it to Ainsworth til xmas and take the time to find the right guy.
 
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