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Discussion in 'Plymouth' started by Plymborn, Dec 16, 2012.

  1. lyndhurstgreen

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    Too many comments from people who weren't there based on what their mates apparently witnessed..... at half time I asked my son what would he do- his response 'sacrifice Gurrieri to move Baz into midfield and bring Robbie on to beef up the defense- also sub Griffith (who was awful) and bring on chadwick/feeny either of which would at least get stuck in. Funnily enough the subs changed a 1-0 deficit into a draw. We had a thoroughly enjoyable away day-our MOTM was Mosely (again) followed by Lennox , then Purse.- We like Gurrieri but everytime he got the ball on Sat he went on a mazy dribble then gave it away or got tackled- not one of his best games.

    FFS what is the matter with you people?-an away draw at Exeter has to be a great point.
     
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  2. sensiblegreeny

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    No wonder you defend Fletcher lyndhurst. Clearly he IS your son and you got first hand info on the subs.

    I agree that a point against any side in the top part of the league away from home is good. I've said so twice now so I must believe it. I also agree that there is absolutely no telling what the result would have been had we played this one or that one. It still doesn't give me any faith in Fletcher whatsoever and however it is dressed up. Nobody can make a wrong decision all of the time. Laws of averages, or statistics which is one of notdistant's favourites, says that anyone is bound to get something right eventually. However, he gets it wrong more than he gets it right in my book which does not bode well in a dogfight. Sorry but jury is no longer out it is still Fletcher out as far as I'm concerned even though I know it isn't going to happen.
     
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  3. Greenarmyjoe

    Greenarmyjoe Well-Known Member

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    Nothing a matter with us people, we just need Fletcher out and perhaps you and your son could have the role of Manager and assistant. then have distant as the Chairman

    What a team...Merry Xmas my friend
     
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  4. mexijan

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  5. sensiblegreeny

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    Like me you should learn to cut and paste and it would save you a lot of typing mexijan......<yikes>


    It is a good away point nonetheless. Still don't like Fletcher though you lot of appologists for failure you.
     
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  6. notDistantGreen

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    Ignoring your insults Joe, I repeat, I presume he brought Williams to put Bhasera forward on the left where his strength & running power was useful in place of Young. You'll notice Sercombe figures pretty strongly in the first half match reports for Exeter and Williams/Bhasera was probably stronger than Bhasera/Young on that side of the pitch, both going forward and defending.

    Sensible I thought you'd accepted that we'd probably deserved more from recent performances than we'd actually got. It seems to me that it wouldn't take much now to start to move forward, maybe a bit of luck, or 1 or 2 good players in the transfer window or, God forbid, fans that give players and manager the benefit of the doubt at the next few home games.........

    I thought I'd reiterate the statistical bit too, in case anyone missed it.

    1) Most managers are sacked after a run of bad results. Those often originate in bad luck, bad referees, injuries, suspensions, loss of form etc etc. When a new manager comes in, it's unlikely that uncontrollable bad trend will continue for ever. Fans attribute any improvement to the new manager. More often than not, it's nothing to do with him, it's just things getting back to normal - reversion to the mean.

    2) Less than 1 in 10 managers are able to lift a club above the purchasing power of its wage bill. Sturrock was mentioned in the Telegraph article as being one who's demonstrated he can. In this league, even though our gates are reduced, they're still bigger than most. In the fullness of time, given only average management, that should lift us towards the top of the league. It won't be due to a new manager but just finances.

    3) Bringing in a new manager wastes money, both in sacking the old one and in allowing the new guy to remodel the team and staff in his own image. Given Rule 2, it's unlikely this will be any more successful than leaving the old regime alone would have been.
     
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  7. mexijan

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    Plus any manager we bring in will either be:

    a) Currently successful and will require compensation being paid to his current club or

    b) Unemployed meaning he was released (sacked) by his previous club due to poor performance (useless)

    Now can we guess which option it will be? Clue....not option a)... Answers on a postcard to:

    Sheik Mi Moneybags
    PAFC Holdings
    Invisible House (between Santas Workshop and the Easter Bunny Egg Factory)
    Nowhere St
    Imagination Town
    Neverland
     
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  8. Greenarmyjoe

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    Boll ocks
     
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  9. sensiblegreeny

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    we have deserved more from "recent" games notdistant and I've said so. But, we haven't gotten more. Whatever we have or haven't achieved I still do not like Fletcher and would replace him if I could. No amount of badgering will change that view no matter how many wins we now get or don't get. The manager like any other employee should prove to others he is worthy and there is no god given right for anyone to demand backing or loyalty from supporters. He needs to earn that respect and he hasn't. Why should people not have the ligitimate right to not like him as the manager and say so. Blind faith does not apply.
     
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  10. notDistantGreen

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    I can't be held responsible for other people's irrationality Sensible.

    The big fact is that Fletcher kept us up last season when most of us thought we were dead & gone. Yes, this season has been far from a roaring success but we haven't been in the bottom 2 [yet] and we're agreed there's been an element of bad luck and the style of football has improved. On that basis, I'd accept the jury should still be out. Instead, it's turned into a lynch party.....
     
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  11. Greenarmyjoe

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    Its not irrational, its true he has to GO.
    You said the other day it was Deehan that kept us up? :emoticon-0104-surpr
     
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  12. notDistantGreen

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    I don't know what Deehan did but my understanding of a D of F role is that it's primarily involved with transfer dealings, leaving the manager to get on with coaching & tactics.

    On that basis, it was Fletcher that kept us up but who knows what Deehan's terms of reference were and what he actually did while he wasn't sitting in the directors' box.

    What you can't do is to have said Deehan did nothing and was a waste of club money AND that we're only recruiting a D of F now to prop Fletcher up. It's illogical Captain. Either a D of F is an effective role, or it's not, not both to suit your argument.
     
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  13. sensiblegreeny

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    Sitting on the fence is most uncomfortable and especially if it's a spikey one. If you give anyone let alone Fletcher a kicking for things that go wrong then by the same token you have to give credit if it's due. Last season if he was the man in charge who would have been the fall guy for dropping out of the football league then you have to say it was his efforts, no matter how achieved, that kept us up.

    That was last season and we have now moved on. However, we haven't move far have we and it now seems probable that Fletcher is not capable of sustaining improvement. In other words has gone as far as he can go with this club. You have heard many managers say that in the past when disappearing out of the door. It is therefore logical that if he can't move us forward then it is time for somebody else who perhaps can. This season has not been good enough. We should be better than the position we hold and should not be in a dogfight for the upteenth year. Brent himself says we had a competetive budget compared to others so why are we not competetive is the only question to follow that.
     
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