Maybe you're right but it still doesn't validate the pathetic argument that you can only criticize the oil companies if you don't have a car, phone, central heating etc.
Not in my opinion it doesn't. At the end of the day the oil companies are where they are courtesy of us the consumers, and whilst we continue to use products that require oil, we keep them in business. So how can anyone be agianst drilling whilst it is us who keep them going? I honestly do not see the logic in that. Your wanting them to stop getting that product, whilst burning it to get your point across. I honestly can't understand that in any way shape nor form. As for your video, I understand her point, although they did take the mickey, but her point on a grander scale is relevant, you can't criticise something you yourself are helping.
The irony being that without the taxes paid into the government there would be nothing coming into the country, especially with so many tax dodging companies out there. revenue from oil in terms of taxes keeps the country afloat. also all your pension funds are invested in blue chip companies such as BP ,not sure people actually realise what effect these companies have on the economy as a whole let alone the tax revenue from them. Swanselona there is no debate to be had here really, what ever the tree huggers say they constantly fail to see the reverse argument. Why somebody can happily protest about the use of Oil while using so much Oil is totally laughable and as much as some will try and deflect there is no getting away from that core argument .
Im just wondering how many polar bears have died since we started debating all this bollocks , and how much of the worlds energy resources we've used up in the process ,we alone are probably responsible for at least 2 deaths !
Some posters on here need to know what a false dichotomy is. They're trying to portray the situation as only two possibilities. Either you're for any type of oil extraction and it's use or you're against all oil extraction and it's use.
Please don't tell me I have to explain again.....Greenpeace want us to stop using fossil fuels full stop, that there is what oil is, a fossil fuel. They are interested in the oil rigs in the Arctic, but as already explained to you, the Save the Arctic stance they take, is not just about oil rigs in the Arctic, its about fishing, and global warming. They want us to move away from using fossil fuels, and moving on to renewable energy. They go on about oil spills, so why do you seem to think they will allow oil rigs or any other oil extraction processes to continue as long as it is not in the Arctic? Please tell me you are not that naive. If they got the companies to agree not to dig in the Arctic, they would just move on to the next area under the same **** of "Save the Arctic" because that still is part of their "stop global warming" and the "melting of the ice caps" malarkey.
I doubt it. Not completely. Certainly not before there's a viable alternative and they don't want it stopped overnight. To paraphrase Ian Hislop - you don't have to want to return to the stone-age and a barter system to be against oil drilling in the Arctic.
Your still focusing on the drilling in the Arctic, that is not what the save the Arctic stance is all about, its only a part of it. And until you can realise that, then there is no point in continuing this debate. And he is right, you don't have to go back to the stone-age, but you certainly don't use the product your trying to get them to stop drilling for. 2007 Yes that's Arctic related. A Coal and Oil power station........ May 2010 So since when has Mexico been in the Arctic? News to me...... September 2010 How about Piracy whilst we are at it, linked with the quote above. Shetland close to the Arctic too is it? So then you reckon they are ok with oil being drilled as long as it is not in the Arctic..... So other than the fact they are currently focusing on the Arctic, what about that campaign says its not to stop oil altogether? 2013 v Russia please log in to view this image Yes that looks peaceful, climbing on board the oil rig, serves the bastards right. Keep it at piracy oif you ask me, dull ****ers.
Fair enough, but it's not my stance. You can still be against oil drilling in the Arctic but not against it in certain other places. You can be in favor of reducing oil consumption without wanting to end it entirely.
Why am i a hypocrite? Like I said before, don't use big words if you don't know their meaning. BTW, FYI Today is Sunday,
Yes, but you are telling me its what Greenpeace was after, now if its your view alone, then fair enough, your asking it to be cut down, and as long as you cut down on your own usage, then you have a case. But don't tell me I am wrong about what Greenpeace are trying to achieve, when its written on their site, Greenpeace want no more drilling, so to use oil products to fuel their ship, to protest, is laughable, and hypocritical. Which is what me and Norway are making a point of. And I mean Greenpeace are arseholes in my opinion, they are not peaceful protesters as they try to make you think they are. Take the incident with the Japanese whaling ship. Greenpeace made out that they were rammed by the Japanese ship, which was far larger and weighed more. They also claimed that the Japanese ship cut across in front of them. Greenpeace made a statement So in their own statement they own up to vandalising someone else's property, not exactly peaceful protesting. Watch the video yourself and see what a bunch of lying little ****ers this organisation is. [video=youtube;_CbaF1TsSKc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CbaF1TsSKc[/video] I recommend watching it all as they show a second view too. Now I am no naval expert, but after watching the video, it was clear as day as to who rammed who. And Greenpeace were the ones doing the ramming, I mean if the case was that the Jap's had cut in front of them with a much bigger and harder to manoeuvre ship, then why was the Arctic sunrise unable to move in the same direction and avoid the collision. The video shows they are far enough away from the Whaling ship to have turned away, but they didn't turn, they stayed on that course. They also at the last second turned into the Japanese vessel. Which you can see for yourself looking at the angle of attack, compared to tthe angle when the collision actually takes place, now a massive ship wll not turn that easily. But the Arctic Sunrise certainly could, hell you can even see the lean on the AS as it turns. There is also another video which can be viewed from the Greenpeace ship. Although cannot find the link for it at the moment. But that goes to show they don't even attempt to turn away. So I would suggest and recommend to take what Greenpeace say with a pinch of salt, they will say anything to make out they are peaceful and the victim. And my opinion on them still stands, they moan for moaning sake.
Norway has an economy pretty much based on oil, so your not going to get Norway to see sense, but the planet is far more powerful than the little old homosapien's that are exploiting it, so when planet earth really bites back, and Newyork and London are under 6' of water then those of us that tried to rein in the excesses of mans greed, will laugh our socks off!................
swansalona good job I wasn't there on the Rainbow Warrior as I would have stuck dynamite to the whaling ship, and sunk the bugger, Greenpeace need to be more aggressive in my view!.......................
So other than saying your a member of Greenpeace, what are you doing? Do you ride to work? Or do use a car? When you are off to watch the swans, will you take a car? Or catch a bus? What sort of electricity are you using, is it a wind farm in your back garden, solar panels on your roof, or are you like everyone else and plugged into the main power grid? Am sorry, we can all say we do our bit, but are we really? So seeing as you say you are doing your bit, then tell us, what it is you have actually done to help? I could say I help by never using my central heating, would rather save my money and wrap up a little warmer.
Interesting video. Definitely Greenpeace doing the ramming. You may well be right on that. Evangelical groups are full of people with Personality Disorders and black and white thinking in my experience.
You would have to get your lardy backside off the couch to get there dole bum, if the whale ship so you coming you would have a harpoon in said lardy backside! Think how many lamps your fat would light, 'save the Arctic, render down phil' Are you able to claim your sickness benefit in Russia?
I see the Irish immigrant is shooting his big fat mouth off again, but then that's all the Irish tinker has is a big fat gob, if I had my way I'd send home to Ireland on his mobility scooter, they are all scrougers!..............
