Off Topic Great Britain General Election May 7th 2015.

I can understand the people of England. If Scottish MPs can have a Say in England, why would English MPs have no say in
Scotland. Not fair.!,

 

That's why their is going to be greater devolved powers given to English regions, the Tories have decided Manchester is the North West's regional government centre and expect Merseyside and Lancashire and Cheshire citizens to lose their regional identity, as if.

 

It seems that no one has yet resolved the so called ""West Lothian question". The scottish MPs in Westminster can make decisions on things that affect the English people: Health (NHS etc) and Education for example. And yet the English MPs have no say whatsoever in how health and education is being run in Scotland.

The scotland First minister - Nicola Sturgeon - has sought to justify the commitment of her party to vote on these matters by saying that whatever is decided by Westminster will affect them in Scotland. Is that enough justification? Should we not ask (request? ban?) scottish MPs not to vote on education and health matters in parliament for the sake of fairness?

I can see giving more powers to regions might go some way to address the unfairness but until these regions get the same powers of the devolved administrations then it won't be seen as completely fair.

 

No you are right mate, I was knackered when I posted. I was completely wrong, mixing WWI with WWII, that's how ****ing tired I was.



Re the Luisitania.

On May 2, 1915 – five days before the Lusitania was sunk – US Ambassador Walter Hines Page. wrote to his son: “If a British liner full of American passengers be blown up, what will Uncle Sam do? That’s what’s going to happen".

Edward Mandell House was in England at this time as Wilson’s emissary. On the morning of the fateful 7th, House met with Edward Grey (left), Britain’s foreign minister. House recorded: “We spoke of the probability of an ocean liner being sunk, and I told him if this were done, a flame of indignation would sweep across America, which would in itself probably carry us into the war.”9 Later that day, House and Grey met with King George V at Buckingham Palace. House wrote: “We fell to talking, strangely enough, of the probability of Germany sinking a trans-Atlantic liner. . . . He [the king] said, ‘Suppose they should sink the Lusitania, with American passengers on board?’”10 (These quotes appear in Houses’s official biography, The Intimate Papers of Colonel House.)


I totally mixed up my **** there Donga

The Japanese obviously got the US into WWII, but it is also an undeiable fact the US knew of the attack maybe weeks and definitely days before it was carried out.

An alert US fleet would have meant the Japanese calling the attack off as the fleet would have been at sea. The whole initial japanese strategy was reliant on destroying the fleet and giving them time. Obviously no attack then no public support for war.

Apart from already owning japanese coded transmissions, the Australians warned the US days before the attack that the Japanese pacific fleet was on it's way.

It's funny, it's been proven beyond doubt countries murdered their own people to get into wars, yet that has not sunk in about 9\11, it was the same as Pearl Harbourand the Luisitania. States murdering their own people to start profitable wars for those that really make the big decisions.

Project for a new American Century, think tank, neocons. US policy makers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

- before 9\11. This was the thinking behind those that made up the whitehouse staff under Bush, some of them worked for Netanyahu and Israel previously.

Also, a most recent example of this war mongering is Ukraine and this "cold war" garbage that is allowing the suppliers of NATO to make vast fortunes.
The French have come out and said openly that there was never any movements by Russia of forces and logistics to invade Ukraine. French Intelligence have said this recently, and none of the major news outlets even picked it up because well, the media is all hogtied and self censoring at this point. OSCE said the same thing having flown flights over russia, all of this was kept quiet in the media while NATO paraded fake photographs, and actually fake photos from a video game supplied by Kiev.

War is great for several reasons, money obviously but also the furthering of the one world government. People talk of the NWO and illuminati, and I have never mentioned either.

It's simple, if you want to control the world as the elite do, then a one world government is the only way to make that happen. It's just simple logic really, one government is easier to control than hundreds.

If you look at the world to day, 1984 doesn't seem so "fictional" everything you do is tracked, every email and call you send and make is logged, every transation recorded and now they kill people based on meta data, never having even looked at a location, they bomb it based on internet and call data. 14 year olds getting arrested in the UK by armed police for "preparing for terrorism"

Now the US is installing microphones all over new york that and are already using phot recognition software. You now can't take a dump without it being known.

Yet wveryone is blind to wtf is going on. Until it is too late that is


All of this may seem like a tangent I am off on, but it boils down to what I have always been saying, that the elite 0.01% not 1% see the world as theirs, living a life of no accountability and extreme priviledge, they look upon the rest of us as a beast to be manipulated and controlled, and this has been the same throughout history but technology gives them the very means to literally imprison the rest of us.
They already as of last year and a new UN resolution, can take your passport without showing you have committed any crime.. yet people go on as that is nothing.

 

The Union that have been for ages, Scotland seems to have caused a division. You have forgotten Wales. They have every
right like Scotland and England.

 

No, Wales, Scotland and NI got the devolved powers to self govern, I just think that each English city is within its rights to look after its own local finances rather than see total national finances dished out unfairly between North and South.

The present government proposes to take Manchester out of the NHS by 2016 and give them the powers to take care of their own health costs/measures/hospitals/patient aftercare etc, if it goes tits up the tax payer will have to bail them out.
The NHS should stay intact but the Tories are taking the first step of fragmenting it with the aim of privatising most of it, our families fought for the NHS to come into existence and we should stick together to keep it for what it was designed to do.

 

There was a feeling amongst some in North Wales myself included that we would have been better off being part of a devolved North West administration as except for the language issue we have more in common with Merseyside,Cheshire and Manchester than we do Cardiff and the Valleys.A prime example would be the Assembly's decision to buy Cardiff airport,their reason being that it was Wales' airport.Somebody should have told them that Liverpool and Manchester airports are within an hour of the majority of people in North Wales.

 

Only just seen this!

1. That's part of warefare, feller. We knew from Bletchley Park intercepts that the Germans were runnung low, and thanks to Malta's great sacrifice (they didn't supply the u-boats... ) the Germans struggled throughout that campaign to re-supply Rommel. Not our fult Hitler took to attacking the USSR before securing his western flank and depending on the Italians to look after the south. called strategy, dude.

2. Oh behave! The first intervention of the US in Africa at Kasserine pass saw them throw down their arms and run away! The Germans thought they were pathetic compared to the Desert Rats! Do you ever research this stuff, Sis, or do you just have a live feed to bar room discussion in an Irish bar in Boston?

3. That and the fact that Rommel had to put up with the italians as allies? You do neglect to acknowledge, btw, that the British had totally ****ed a three-times-as-big and equipped Italian army for over a year before the Germans were forced to intervene, thus draining vital forces away from their Russian campaign. Again, that's called geo-strategic thinking. You also neglect to point out tht at the point of gaining a stranglehold over Rommel in early '42, the British were forced to release whole regiments of ANZAC troops to defend Australasia after Pearl harbour and the Japanese Malay advance (see what was written re-Singapore).

4. Read about the Sicily and Italian campaigns, and the vainglorious posturing of Patton and Clark. Patton tried to **** up the Sicilly campaign, simply so he could get to Palermo before Montgomery, and Clark deliberately disoboyed all orders to keep a broad front and allowed ten of thousands of crack German troops to escapse and re-group when he went off to be the first to get to Rome. 'Under Monty's' leadership was a ****ing joke, right up to and including Market Garden, because the US generals just ignored Montgomery when it suited them, and the over-promoted clerk that was Einsenhower did barely a thing about it because Patton and other US generals were playing to the newspapers back in America. as to your point re US supplies and armaments...well, duh! Only emphasis the crucial need of keeping the Atlantic sea lanes open - and that was something the British and its then dominions did primarily on its own, even after December '41.

 

It would have been a bad move for North Wales to join a North West of England assembly, you'd have lost your national identity and ended up talking like Noel Gallagher and having a Beatles haircut.
You're far better off over charging us for water and scaring sheep.

 

You scouse bastards have been stealing our water for years

 

I'm a big advocate of invading Wales personally.

 

Cambridge Tory candidate Chamali Fernando thinks the mentally ill should all wear wrist bands identifying the fact they are mentally ill and their condition.

What do you reckon?

Poor = 'ABSO' neck tattoo
Wealthy = John Lewis bag for life
Mentally ill = Wristband

 

Sums up just how out of touch with reality some of these complete muppets are, I hope she has the decency to fall on her own sword, but I'm not counting on it.

 

True Tobes.

It amounts to tagging people like cattle.

Trying to imagine trying to get a job when "tagged" as having a mental illness. Wouldn't imagine my prospects would be great.

If this is the sort of Tory thinking that can make it to the mainstream, one can only imagine what they think behind closed doors

 

It's beyond ignorant.

1 in 4 people in society will suffer some form of mental illness, as it's an illness same as any other, it's idiots like this that'll put the mental health sector back 20 years and destroy some of the great work that's been done in making people aware of what mental illness actually is, improving their understanding and breaking down barriers.

They should chuck this twat off a cliff (psychotic tendencies right there, where's me wristband )

 

It's no different back home, year before last one of our independent and actually decent politicians (an average joe who the media slate constantly cos he's not linked to the money people) was mocked over his previous mental illness, in parliament like. That's Irish politicians for you.

 

Farage really is an odious cretin. The more I listen to him, the more fascist he comes across. Proper c*nt that bloke

 

the thing is with these sorts too is that whatever manages to leave their gobs is only a portion of the crap that goes on in their heads.

I'd shudder to think what comes out of his trap in private.

If one of them is slightly racist in public media, then you can bet it's worse in private

 

That's what worries me.

He turns EVERY issue into a point about immigrants. And blames EVERYTHING on foreigners.

I almost wish this fcker comes into power so those who support him can watch as his whole philosophy unravels and the country dives into economic oblivion, becomes an international pariah, just so this bollox ideology can end once and for all.

 

True that matey.

It's funny cos if Farage and UKIP were the ruling party and there was a economic bubble, they would be pushing through all of these immigration polices to get people into the country to take up the extra jobs.

Then when the bubble bursts and public funds are tight they go back to blaming immigrants As we are seeing now.
No one mentions that the illegals contributed an estimated 2 billion a year to the revenue in those good economic years prior to 2008. That's just illegals in the **** jobs, not all immigrants.

It's funny also cos someone who won't ****ing do the **** jobs will bitch about immigrants taking said **** jobs, like every Tory supporter that moans about immigrants for example

If you think UKIP is bad, check out Britain First

The whole anti immigration thing is massively ironic anyways given Britain's imperial history, good enough to fight wars for Britain but not good enough to immigrate to Britain