Off Topic Great Britain General Election May 7th 2015.

Conservative or Labour coalition with SNP is not going to work because of the stigma with SNP trying to break UK.

 

A massive over simplification that.

Sure the juxtaposed policies of the parties of yesteryear are gone, but there's still a distinct difference between the Tories and Labour, both in terms of ideology and policy.

 

That and the fact that they're a set of flutes.

 

Ed Milliband 2009

Can you deny it is a fact that party's policies are determined by what the other party's policies are. In order to grab anyone who is opposed to said opposition party's policies votes?

You might call it over simplyfied but in terms of where the real issues are... it's not a vast area of policies we are talking about.

The banking fraud, will continue under whomever gets elected. The wars will continue. The constriction of civil liberities will continue. The Fracking will continue.

In your last elections, Labour LibDem and Tory voters... none of them got the government they voted for and all of them were lied to

 

Taking an out of context headline from a Tory paper sort of concludes my point on your over simplification......

For the record, what he actually said was;
"On a number of things, there are differences between us and the Tories, but on certain areas there are no differences between us, and I don’t think you should make them up."

His point being that the punch and judy politics of yesteryear was a total nonsense and if there was agreement on certain issues, then why seek to contradict each other in a pointless political scrum. Common sense I;d have thought.

 

Of course there are superficial differences between Tory and Labour.
My point is on the key points they are no different, and any crap they spout when trying to get elected has to be reconciled with realpolitik. But they don't say that do they.

is either going to address the most important elements.
Tories Labour LibDem.. there will never be a change on the following.
The debt, which keeps taxes up and education healthcare and services underfunded. UK Debt clock http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
Banking which is fleecing the British public(same in Ireland and everywhere else)
Wars including selling weapons to a large number of despot rulers.
The EU
Fracking
quangos


You'll find that no matter who is running the show, these things will remain the same.

All of the government's stats on unemployment are cooked.
The economic data is cooked.

At what point do we just admit every one of these guys is a lying sack of ****
FYI Tobes, Ireland is just as bad if not worse as the media challenge even less in Ireland than they do in the UK. Ireland is literally a rackateering fiefdom, the government being the rackateering operation

 

Yet the Tories are happy enough to talk up coalitions with the DUP, and per head Ulster is subsidised six times more than Scotland.

 

I can testify to that - I voted Lib Dem because my seat (York-Outer) is Tory, with Labour having no chance. Might be wasting my vote next time, but I won't vote for them ****ers again.

 

If they are all different, which one of them will propose dealing with this **** issue, or deal with the BBC's covering up of ****s for over 3 decades, none of them will touch this **** because they are all linked to the same people who are not part of the political sphere.

None of them will propose any great change because they can't. Any party that decides to do what is best for the public.. would be finished because their coffers would be ****ing empty. If you can't keep those who fill your election warchest happy, you're done. That's politics for you plain and simple.

 

Whilst I'd agree that politicians are more in it for themsleves than their passionate beliefs these days, I don't hold with the idea that there's no point in engaging with the system as they're 'all shades of the same ****'.

The Tories are, always have been and always will be - protectors of their own. The land owners and gentry that they ultimately belong to.

Labour is more encompassing in the modern era and tries to appeal to the lower middle as well as the working class (and sub class thanks to Thatcher)

Their fiscal policies will always reflect their heritage, that's the key difference.

 

Nigel Farage!

 

a fair point.

I do think that in general no matter who is in power largely they do the same things the same way but you re right that if and when a big call comes around who do you want in... someone who will benefit the elite or someone who might just think of us all.

 

A banker who wants to privatise the NHS. Type of guy who'll be running the Tories when Cameron goes, whether they win the election or not.

 

NHS is a key area for labour...because people are not happy with the present state. Not many people can afford private medical care.

 

I may not have been serious

Not many will agree with this but making the NHS private may not be such a bad thing. It would stop the pathetic visits from people with a cold or scratch and it would stop foreigners coming to our shores to take advantage of the free health service too.

 

UKIP policy is to keep the NHS free at the point of service and increase funding by 3billion. The party have plenty of contentious areas of policy but there current stance on the NHS is a very positive one.

 

I dunno, I guess some see it a different way.

I will tell you how it works.

You have the locals who serve their constituents. They are overridden by the party leadership. The party leadership are primarily responsible to the financial backers.
There are numerous cases of the leadership telling all party members how to vote on any given subject.

Now, in that you tell me, who has the power, the constituents or those that financially back the party on issues where there is interest from constituents and financial backers? Obviously whomever has the favour of the party leadership wins out. So the voter can go **** himself, yes on issues the backers couldn't care about the constituents might win, but only then. There's your bone thrown.

take fracking.. the locals in those areas object, they take this to their local rep, but the leadership will back whatever company has lobbied them because they gave shedloads to the coffers and if something comes to a vote the party membes WILL vote whatever way they are told to vote. This is in part why election promises are broken constantly.

 

Exactly.

The Tories are great at coming up with Daily Mail reader policies that see the under class i.e. the unemployed, squeezed a tad harder, forcing them to use food banks.

Whilst turning a blind eye to the top end corporate and individual tax evasion by the countries biggest earners.

 

Energy companies and land owners are the only people who will benefit from fracking and not surprisingly the Tories are right behind it (but not in the Home Counties like)

Labour aren't fully behind it and if elected will come under massive internal pressure to kick it into the long grass.

 

I think easier to put it, decisions are supposed to come from the bottom upwards, we elect people to do what we want, (not just any auld thing) but y'know. Run the country the way Britons want it run.

But the decisions come from the top and filter down, at some point people forgot that this is how a Monarchy works, a democracy is supposed to be the reverse. Even if a democracy is mob rule, the 49% being ordered around by the 51%. 49% are not represented in government and in the case of the current gov, only the financial backers are represented by the government cos no one voted for a Tory LibDem coalition and Lib dems sold out every one who voted for them because they are just a partner in name, Tories run the show