We don't know, but the constant rhetoric from Bates about getting promoted on the cheap - quoting the instances of Blackpool and Burnley - strongly suggests it. That's just my assessment of last season anyway; who knows what will happen this summer which seems the fairest time to judge it.
It doesn't cost you a million pounds to get your tactics right. How do you know about the quality of the coaching staff? And, in any case, it's Grayson who appointed them. Why can't it be the coaching staff who deserve the credit for what's gone right? You can see the quality of signings a manager makes, you can see whether or not he got his tactics right, but you don't see what goes on in training to judge the quality of the coaching. I think Grayson's record does speak for itself and it's poor! It's littered with poor performances, bad defeats and sustained periods of poor form. It's a total myth that Grayson has kept us moving forward. Don't forget that we were deducted 15 points in our first season in League 1. Add those 15 points and we would have finished on 91 points, 9 points clear in 2nd and just a point behind Swansea. Under Grayson we finished the following season on 84 points. I know we had a bad spell under McAllister but we were only 5 points behind Peterborough, who ended up finishing 2nd, when he was sacked. We were also in a similar position to which Millwall got promoted from the season after. In Grayson's first full season in charge we finished on 86 points, an improvement of only 2 points, it just so happened that was enough for promotion that season. As far as the Championship goes you can only really judge us against the teams that came up with us and we made no improvement as to where we finished in relation to them. I would also argue that Grayson doesn't like to play decent stuff. He's a negative manager who actively discourages playing football. It's the players that dictate the style of play as it's what suits them best. Preston is the perfect example of Grayson pulling against the players attacking instincts and the problems it can cause.
Who would come in if we got shot of Grayson? Who would work with Bates & have to rely on free transfers & the loan market? No one with real ambition or a strong CV will be interested.
Cannot see Poyet comming back Bates has allready slagged him off a couple of times in his program notes regarding the manor in which he left the club , When he scaked McAlister and was asked about Poyet he went on record as saying he wants a manager who will live in Yorkshire Poyet would not do so .. What we need now is stability the transfer window has not yet officially opened
Keep - He's the bestest. The only reason to get rid of SG is that it would shut the ****wit that is Clive Time up.
It does cost you a million pounds or more to get standout players in defence and midfield. They can, attacking-wise. But just look at the players that have come in and how they've deteriorated. Ankergren and Schmeichel both turned into mere shot-stoppers after spending time under Leeds' goalkeeping staff; Andy O'Brien came in and started off great, suddenly losing all confidence and dominance after being exposed to the United coaches. By the same logic that Grayson should be blamed for his staff's failure, Bates should be blamed for Grayson's perceived failure which is rubbish. The buck stops with those directly responsible as far as coaching is concerned. Well, as far as everything in life is concerned. I do hope that the club choose to get rid of them whether that be Grayson or someone from higher up. You can see the deterioration of players though which can only be down to bad coaching. I can't think of any other reason why so many keepers and defenders suddenly turned to ****. His points per game ratio says otherwise. We can't go over every performance, but I've generally enjoyed watching Leeds' football under him, been far better than the utter **** we've been used to since our fall from the Premiership. Irrelevant. He took over from McAllister and improved on that position. An improvement. Meaningless rhetoric. You can say the scum 'just so happened' to get enough points to win the Premiership, but you wouldn't. That year was another improvement. No, you can judge it based on Leeds' position in relation to Leeds' position the season before. Which has been an improvement every time. If you're that keen to compare us with other teams, I reiterate that Norwich and Millwall have had more money to spend. If he were a negative manager, we wouldn't have scored so many goals and played with an attacking 4-2-3-1 setup. If he were a negative manager, it would have been like the Preston second half every match - and by the way I partly blame that Preston disgrace on the lack of on-field leadership which I keep mentioning. It's very hard to get a player who'll keep the rest switched on and fighting for Leeds when you have bugger all money available.
We spent £4m less than Norwich over the last 2 seasons. We also finished above teams like Leicester and Middlesbrough who had been flashing the cash all season. Grayson has taken us to just below and well above many teams who spent millions more than us. Don't forget that Becchio, Gradel and Howson ave all become far better players under Larry. Any fan who thought we should have walked the league last season just because we're Leeds United is quite frankly deluded.
Donald...dont debate with that idiot..... he is a fool and we are giving him air time he should not have...he is not even a Leeds fan...
Can I ask Clive one simple question, if and a big if SG was sacked or resigned who would you like to see take over? Bearing in mind the new manager would have to deal with KB and his deep pockets. Please don't say someone like Martin O'neil,we couldn't afford him and him and KB aren't the bestof friends.
That Grayson is more than happy to deal with Bates and his lack of funding is as good a reason as any to get rid of him. Can't you see that by backing Grayson you're backing the lack of investment? People want more transfer funds but what is the point of giving money to a poor manager with a poor record in the transfer market? The whole point of wanting Grayson out is forcing Bates to invest in a decent manager who will want certain assurances and won't just do as he is told. I'm not being unrealistic, it doesn't have to be a manager who will command massive wages and demand a huge budget. Gary McAllister did a fantastic job and I'd like to see him finish the job he started. Sadly, we've missed out on Malky Mackay, who I'd like to have seen, and DiMatteo has now joined Chelsea. Perhaps we could tempt Gus from Brighton, as disappointed as I was that Macca was sacked I thought he'd be the one to come in and we'd be fine. Steve Bould is a highly rated coach at Arsenal and would appear to have all the right attributes. There are many managers out there who could do a better job than Grayson, I'd honestly rather see anyone but him, but it's important that Ken Bates goes out and gets the right man.
Again you've not really named any realistic replacements. Mackay didn't do it with Watford. Still not convinced Clive, must try harder. SG will do for me. 7th in our first season back in the Championship isn't bad at all.
Brick wall. Banging head against. Round in circles. Going. You sound like you've given up hope. You think the manager 'will do' and you can't see anyone else putting up with Bates, so we've no choice but to keep him? Does that mean we have to keep him for as long as Bates is in charge, no matter what the results are?
We keep him in charge as long as he keeps the club moving forward. Please tell me you don't think we've gone forward. Before you answer check where we were before he took over and where we are now.
Read what I've said, it's not that far back. Donald is trying to pull it apart up there. There is no way that anyone can tell me that 86 points is an advancement on 91.
Half the reason we did so well in that season is because of the 15 point deduction. Do you genuinely believe they'd have fought so hard if they weren't up against it? I don't. It's clear Gary McAllister was not up to the task of getting his team to battle and it showed in the second season in charge when they weren't up against it. You are again claiming everyone is stupid for not seeing simply facts but you yourself dismiss things that so clearly explain what's going on. We did not get 91 points, we got 76. I predict if we hadn't had points deducted we would have either fallen into mid table obscurity or gotten more than 76 but certainly less than 91. Your problem is your inability to see further than immediately in front of you, dismissing anything except the blatantly obvious. There is so much more information that is so very relevant to this ongoing discussion that I'm beginning to believe you're not dismissing it, you're just so damn stupid you can't even see it. The example that the 07/08 season would not have played out exactly the same had we not been deducted 15 points is a good one, but you can't see that and automatically assume that McAllister must have been a better manager than Grayson. Another fine example is that you think Macca is a better manager because the football Leeds played while he was manager was fancier and better looking, more entertaining passing football. You've completely dismissed (or not noticed, through bone idleness) that they were unable to see out games and do the nitty gritty dirty stuff that was so often required to get out of that league, and is quite often required in the Championship. It will be required in the Premier League as well, oddly enough. Not enough information for you there? Arsenal play the best football in England, yet they can't win jack ****, because they have no bite, no fight, and no willingness to dig in. Want me to keep on reading out the stuff in between the lines that you constantly ignore?
