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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by 123Daveyboy, Jun 24, 2020.

  1. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    As I told him nothing makes travellers panic more than stopping them travelling ...

    ... otherwise they can't avoid the police <laugh>

    And to cap it all I shagged his PA on his own desk when I went to see him and he was out on the site
    <party>
     
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    You shagged his dad??? <laugh>
     
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  3. Smug in Boots

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    And his MA <laugh>
     
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    As kids, they'd always be a time in the year where a few bikes start to go missing, so we knew they were back in the area. We'd get in some scraps with them, but they always won, because they'd send down a man sized lad to dish out a kickin. Same when the Fair came to town. When everything's fine and monies moving its all good, but you watch a dozen of them come out the woodwork with the slightest hint of trouble. Seen a few people on the end of some right beatings from the twats. Scum. Simple.
     
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  5. Smug in Boots

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    And that's why they're not welcome.

    When they expected we were a bunch of timid council workers they thought they were the Kings of the World.

    But when they clocked the cut of the lads their arses went. If they'd started we'd have annihilated them.

    It was equal numbers which they never want.
     
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    Who was that old bloke a few years ago who wrestled a knife from the gypsy who broke in his house and stabbed him during the struggle. That's the sort of knife crime I want to read about. Hope he's living it up somewhere. (only after the plod dropped the charges mind)
     
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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53182122

    You know the real tragedy is again that it has taken so ****ing long for this to even be worthy of an investigation. It's a lot like the Ahmaud Arbery case in that for some unknown reason (but of course, definitely not because he is black) a man is stopped in the street and effectively executed for no crime at all. When his family demand someone at least look at this and see what happened, they get nothing.

    This is the grim reality of the police in America. An unchecked bunch of good ol' boys acting like it's still their right to subjugate others, and yes, disproportionately, targeting black people.
     
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  8. The Norton Cat

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    There are a variety of different map projections that are used around the world. The 'upside-down' example that you use is one that would have been familiar in the 'Viking' world (an inaccurate term as the people of early medieval Scandinavia never considered themselves to be 'Vikings') due to the way in which they understood the world. In order to translate the surface of a sphere into a flat rectangular image, there has to be some distortion of the relative size of different places. It has nothing to do with importance and everything to do with whatever you want to be the central point of your map or the way you want the information presented. For example, the Mercator Projection, which is the standard map projection for navigation (because of its unique property of representing any course of constant bearing as a straight segment) increases the size of land masses the further away they are from the equator.
    Seeking offence in map projections is utterly ridiculous.
     
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  9. Shameless

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    I'm not 'seeking offence' at all ...

    I was curious if other Australians had seen this presentation before. The argument the projection "increases the size of land masses the further away they are from the equator" is only applicable to the Northern Hemisphere and whatever the historical acceptance it appears that S America, Africa and Australia are not as big as they ought to be.

    The Mercator Projection (16th Century) is not an accurate image of the way things really are, however, I accept it was useful in terms of navigation and the image became 'our accepted norm', whilst it is nigh impossible to set out a spheroid on a 2D surface and there will inevitably be distortion, however the grossly inaccurate image still persists

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    And here the position of the equator according to our projection

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    I do not agree with some people who have used the term 'racist' for this though it is, in my view, an illustration of cultural bias
     
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  10. The Norton Cat

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    It is not an 'argument' that the Mercator Projection increases the relative size of land masses the further they are from the equator, it is a fact. That it is how the map is drawn.

    Nor is the image 'grossly inaccurate'. It is, as you say, a distortion because it has to be. Any cartographer or navigator will understand that. Any 'inaccuracies' disappear the moment that you look at globe as the distortion is not necessary. Undistorted maps are also widely available but to eradicate the distortion they require numerous sheets and are harder to display easily.

    Any culture or nation drawing a map will place its homeland at the centre of the map because it wants to know the position of other places in relation to where it comes from. Is that cultural bias? Perhaps, but it's also human nature and practical if you intend navigating to and from your homeland. As European nations led the way in seafaring and navigation during the late medieval and early post-medieval periods, it is only sensible that they placed their own countries at the centre of the map (bear in mind also the position of the Greenwich meridian- it makes sense to have that at the centre for navigation and timekeeping purposes). Prior to that great expansion in seafaring, most seafaring cultures navigated by the stars and other natural phenomena so were less likely to draw maps.

    I agreed with much of what you were saying a few days ago, on a variety of subjects, but you are now seeking moral failings in other people's innocent pragmatism.
     
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    No. See my first post. It is perfectly reasonable that the Chinese, for instance spin the earth 100-120+ degrees East for the reasons you state, hence I presented this to '...downunder' as I have seen the map in Australia, one of them the Galls-Peter Projection and I was curious if he had seen it too. And there can be objection to South being up and Australia in the middle.

    Bit strong there?!
    Whatever way you put it, it is an illustration of cultural bias and I stand by that
     
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    "Oh yes, I certainly remember the 2020 map wars, we really suffered to be honest ...

    ... there were times we were up 'til 5am arguing with people on the internet.

    I used to wake up cranky, check to see what had been said and the whole thing would start all over again ...

    ... your mam was at her wits end. "
     
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  13. The Norton Cat

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    So it is ok to place your own location in the centre of the map, but its cultural bias to distort the size of other landmasses in order to fit them on the map?
     
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    Historical accident? I accept that.

    It is still an illustration cultural bias
     
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  15. The Norton Cat

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    No, it's an illustration of geographical bias, dependant on the projection and the chosen centre point of the map. Cultural bias suggests that one culture is being preferred over another, whereas the only bias in world map projections is toward the data or centre point that you wish to display.

    The Mercator Projection isn't suggesting that Antarctica is more culturally important than anywhere else.
     
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    I thought that I agreed with you here?
    Maps using the Mercator barely display Antarctica at all?
     
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  17. The Norton Cat

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    You were still going on about cultural bias, which it isn't.

    No, the Mercator Projection, as I said before, shows land masses as disproportionately larger, the further they are from the equator. Hence, Antarctica is shown as a huge landmass occupying the majority of the bottom of the map.
     
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    Very good <laugh>
     
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  19. Smug in Boots

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    All countries are culturally biased towards themselves and why shouldn't they be, its often a good thing.

    If Britain set out to irradicate the culture of another country some people would be hysterical ...

    ... so why would we choose to do the same to ours.

    I want to see a map that's practical so I can see how far places are, from the UK, that I might wish the visit.

    General maps tell you virtually nothing tbh.
     
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    Bleeding heart rushes in without checking the facts first Ahmaud Arbery a known criminal gets caught.


     
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