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Get the Police out of football?

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by UIR - Kagawa Powa, Sep 15, 2012.

  1. Ivan Dobsky

    Ivan Dobsky GC Thread Terminator

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    Yeah. as i say, G4 waved the private flag high when during the Olympics, back door privatisation in the NHS is wonderful and the utilities such as gas. electric and water have really been value for money in the last 20 years. Did i mention that the railways run on four times the subsidy that the old BR ever did, even accounting for inflation.

    But you may have point over the police. The taxpayer/ratepayer pays for that utter shambles, and then pays their court costs when they try dodging conspiracy and manslaughter charges for twenty three years. They're paid enough to join a federation and get private insurance for that - i have to, and so do doctors and nurses.

    Don't see why we should all pay for the rottweillers of the Establishment.
     
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  2. DirtyFrank

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    Except we can't self police; this board for example (thats people with enough intelligence to have a job, buy a computer or smartphone, join a forum and be able to read & write)prove that's the case (including the imports here not just LFC fans). Have a look at the 4 minute thread!

    Where there's a chance to point score, sense will be pushed aside, even to the detriment of the whole. It's why the abuse will never stop. Arseholes use the but they started it excuse. Us moderates whine about it on forums, keep quiet at matches.

    Of course if you mean just let people scream what they want at a football match, fine. You're advocating us being viewed like animals in the 21st Century as well. Maybe enough of us are! I hope not.
     
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  3. Exodus Geohaghon

    Exodus Geohaghon Active Member

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    "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man."

    - Samuel Johnson.
     
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  4. UIR - Kagawa Powa

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    I happen to know the G4S shambles was the governments fault. Set out what they wanted and then changed it constantly until such a time G4S couldnt keep implementing their new rules and wants in time. This happens alot, government and local government moving goal posts then blaming everyone else.

    I will however say that public transport is a joke. However the government would do it even worse imo. Arriva are a ****ing shocking company but council buses years ago were equally as bad and everything stank of piss.

    Years of ****e services are the cause of our current ****e services, even when standards improve they are coming from a starting point of dire. We need to look at Germany and Japan.
     
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  5. DirtyFrank

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    Lol, I'm as big a realist/cynic as anyone but Quoting Johnson who died 200 years ago is a bit lame & I would suggest Hobbs might suit you as an overall philosophy if you're looking backwards for an explanation into human nature (except its a favourite with the Tories too) you seem to be missing out on two of the most brutal centuries of mankinds existence: which by any cynics theories will mean he's evolved further over the last 200 years than he did the 2000 before.Necessity drives perfection.
     
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  6. Ivan Dobsky

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    Both Japanese and German railways are nationalised. <ok>
     
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  7. TheJudeanPeoplesFront

    TheJudeanPeoplesFront Well-Known Member

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    I think we (Newcastle) and most clubs have their own holding cells, and police presence is perhaps necessary as it makes the loons think twice.

    One thing I absolutely will never agree with, is "mounted police" patrolling the ground on a ****ing horse. When I was in the Leazes I'd be in a mob of people moving towards the turnstile most weeks, and we'd all end up stepping in bloody horseshit! Clear it up if I have to clear up after my dog! More than that, there is, and never will be, any need to be on a horse to do policework. This isn't the English civil war, you're not going to chase down cavaliers while they brake formation at the sight of your charge. GET OFF THEM.

    Every week they are there, even though some of the teams bring about 5 people!

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    The Hillsborough findings are absolutely in line with what everyone knows already and I'm glad it came out. If you want to be above the law, don't be a criminal be a cop <ok>

    Even just logically thinking about it shows you what a perversion they are. I can't go 90mph, but they can do 100mph in their police car to catch me? Why? They have police training, so are allowed. Well make everyone do that test and we can all do 100mph, simple. <ok>
     
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  8. Exodus Geohaghon

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    British railways are NOT run on a free market basis.

    They are run by private companies, but only ones the government pre-approves of as part of it's oligarchy which monopolizes control over the rails.

    So it's totally wrong to blame poor service on the fact it's not run by the State, because the State are the ones holding back progress.

    If you or me found money to build bullet trains but didn't work for Network Rail, we'd only be able to build them on private land. It's a joke.
     
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  9. Ivan Dobsky

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    "British railways are NOT run on a free market basis."

    True, and neither are they in any major western democracy. If they were commuters would pay three times more than they do now. Without subsidies from central government and through rates in the form of PTE's leisure and commuter travel would be exhorbitant. As it stands now, private companies can cream off grotesque amounts of those subsidies in the form of astromical wages for directors and dividends for shareholders; and those that regulate and allocate the franchises can seamlessly move into the train operating companies they have previously favoured. THAT is what privatisation means, nothing to do with the free market, and this would/bis the case in other forms of state-subsidised organisations, from health to education, from defence contracts to maintaining motorways. As soon as as the so-called 'more efficient' private enterprises get hold of taxpayers' money they sack half the staff, cut their costs to the point of causing paralysis in the organisation, lavish directors and shareholders with money they haven't earned then bribe local and national newspapers to only present them in a good light.

    All of which is not the mad rambling of some commie maniac but is assembled from stories in The Financial Times and P.rivate Eye
     
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  10. Exodus Geohaghon

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    Don't give them taxpayers' money then. As soon as they get it, they stop being a free, private company in my eyes and become a part of the state-corporate complex.
     
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  11. Ivan Dobsky

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    So the taxpayer shouldn't fund health, education, transport, defence, police, etc?

    Actually that would suit the anarchists and anti-capitalists more as there'd be a collapse of the infrastucture and organisations of society. Unless you really think you could run a 21st century society on the framework of the Victorians.
     
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  12. Exodus Geohaghon

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    The taxpayer shouldn't exist, because tax is theft. :)

    And as long as societies of people exist, of course infrastructure will be needed and the most efficient and fairest companies will profit the most in a truly free market with no state restrictions, licensing laws, VAT, competition crushers and other such ****e.

    No idea what the Victorians have to do with anything.
     
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  13. Ivan Dobsky

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    Sounds like a Mad Max society. Doesn't sound like a civilisation at all.
     
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  14. Exodus Geohaghon

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    Systematic, state-sponsored theft, assault and murder doesn't sound like civilization to me either.
     
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  15. Ivan Dobsky

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    tell me what you do and within 5 minutes I'll tell you how mny links there are between your job and taxpayer's money.
     
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  16. DirtyFrank

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    You're trying too hard to be an anarchist Ex: go play on thepolticsforum.com and get eaten alive by the real thing. Say hello to Igor & Rei for me while they break you in.
     
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  17. Exodus Geohaghon

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    Well it's impossible to live without co-existing with the state, isn't it? Doesn't mean it's any less evil. It's impossible for civilians in the Southern tip of Italy not to co-operate with the local crime families, not that they're happy about that status quo necessarily.

    Strictly speaking, I'm not an anarchist since I think people should be able to join private governments if that's their choice. So to describe such a world as an 'anarchy' would be misleading.
     
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