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  1. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    I’m not saying I’m happy with the choices they’ve made, but there are no easy option’s, we couldn’t carry on as we were the country is on its knees. I know you think Reform is the answer, they aren’t. I’m afraid if Reform IS the answer, then you are asking the wrong questions.The Tories will regroup and the choice next election will be, Labour or Tory.

    Reform remind me of SDP or whatever they were called, when some Labour Party MP’s split in the 1980’s I think it was, and the break away MP’s joined with the Liberals.

    Part of the reason the Labour Party got so many MP’s this time around is the traditional Tory vote split between Tories and Reform. To have any chance next time the split will have to be dealt with.
     
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  2. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    The country certainly is on its knees

    Which makes the ghastly decisions the Labour Party have already made make them look even more incompetent and clueless

    We need food, energy and border security as the basics before we even get to the likes of the NHS

    So why p*ss off farmers who provide as with a third of the basics,!when the amount the Government could make from it is a piddling amount in the grand scheme of things

    And in the crazy and needless rush to net zero this Government, and the last are going to destroy what little remains of the car industry.

    Vauxhall is shutting the van plant at Luton with 1,200 jobs at risk. Ford are laying off 800 people and Nissan in Sunderland day there will be job losses
    Let these manufacturers continue to make petrol and diesel cars.
    The move to EV will eventually come but bullying people into it is stupid
    New engines are very clean compared to even 10 years ago

    Milliband madness
     
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  3. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    They have chosen, correctly imo to spend money on services. In order to do that choices have to be made to generate the required money. That’s going to be unpopular, sometimes unpopular decisions have to be made, that’s life. The alternative is carry on not funding services, which is partly what put us where we are now.

    They have 4/5 years to make their choices work, if they work all well and good, if they don’t we hook them, it’s simple.
     
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  4. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    You say services, but I don’t think giving train drivers a salary of £80k - £90k or whatever it is, good value for money
    If they wanted to save money, handlng out way above inflation pay rises isn’t the way to go about it
     
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    How does the NIC increase raise the financial resources going into care services? How is this increase covered and will this increase not lead to cuts in care services?
     
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    Let me tell you the electric revolution is a dud-it will never take off-i have been in the industry for over 35 years and electric is not green-Fossil fuel vehicles are so clean today as long as they are running correctly.

    Hydrogen will be the way forward-people-companies don't want electric.

    infrastructure-more electric-cobalt will never be enough for the demand.

    Manufactures have caught a cold with this electric fad it is dead in the water.
     
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    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    Manufacturers will be forced into the electrical revolution. Vehicle manufacturing has quotas that will increase to points where the majority of vehicles made have to be electric. Its called the UK’s ZEV [zero emissions vehicle] mandate and manufacturers are fined huge sums for each vehicle outside the mandate.

    Labour is looking at a full transition to electric vehicles, full, 100%.

    What government is doing is destroying industry dependant on fossil fuels.
     
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  8. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    Neither is having an ongoing pay dispute that was costing a fortune, resolving that along with the NHS dispute was needed in order to put a line under things and start moving on. Do I think train drivers are paid too much, absolutely I do, but sometimes you have to be pragmatic and see the bigger picture.
     
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    It's a waste of money and simply cant be justified under any circumstances
     
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  10. Red Robin

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    80K to drive a train -crazy absolutely crazy more than air line pilots which are far more skilled.
     
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    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    And the train drivers don't even have a steering wheel <laugh><laugh>
     
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    they report for work eventually take a train from A to B then swap out having had a break take another train maybe back to A OR DO THE SAME JOURNEY TWICE IF IT FITS INTO THEIR CONTRACT HOURS! .... often doesnt so get OT ...

    .gov was cynical give them extra money and get up to 40% of it back in tax on some / MOST of it. Onus then on employer to make a profit by upping prices so a roundabout way of taxing the public and hitting their wage packets
     
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  13. wizered

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    Train drivers are the most important of people thay insist on having gaurds...:emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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    But still not worth derailing (see what I did there <laugh>), a settlement over.
     
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  15. AshtonRed

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    Nor do airline pilots <laugh><laugh>
     
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  16. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    That’s so people can’t get to them to steal their enormous wages :emoticon-0105-wink:<laugh>
     
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  17. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    They acrually do
    There's a small wheel in the cockpit that's used for steering the aircraft via the nose wheel(s)
     
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  18. AshtonRed

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    Not for flying though, that’s just for taxiing and parking etc isn’t it?
     
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  19. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    Yes it is :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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    Red Robin Well-Known Member

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    BREAKING: Former Tory minister Andrea Jenkins has joined Reform UK Reform will win the next election

    Plus another Conservative MP has switched to @reformuk today :1980_boogie_down::1980_boogie_down::1980_boogie_down:


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