I'm surprised so many are happy to dismiss it. Again I have to clarify that it's not a big deal but I'd be pretty upset if I was Hooiveld and I saw a teammate saying I was terrible, no matter how true it is. It's minor, but I don't see how it can be perceived any way other than negatively. Yeah I think that's different though, if you're saying to someone's face, and it's understandable for tempers to flare in the immediate aftermath of a goal.
I noticed that, but it seemed to me that Jayrod and Jos got in each others way, unless they were moaning at Fox for something else in the build up.
I don't think you've taken Lamberts comments in the right context This is about Hooivelds performance in the match and not a general comment on his ability and from what i've seen of Hooiveld in interviews he would probably agree that he was having a stinker.
Well we don't really have the context, unless you're in Norway and can watch the video. I don't think the context makes a lot of difference though. I'm sure Hooiveld would agree it wasn't his best game. Even so, how can something like that ever be positive?
Not his finest moment, and I'm sure he probably realises that, but then much of the frustration may have been with his own performance. When you know you're below your own standards (and the team are), it's easy to lash out at other people.
I'm with PTF on this, in the grand scheme of things it is nothing huge, and probably doesn't normally get caught on camera. But if I was Jos I know I'd be frustrated. Jos isn't poor through a lack of trying, if anything, he tries too much. The comment is of no help to anyone, but I appreciate that it is a throwaway comment by Rickie.
Interesting, if possibly controversial view from elsewhere - on the comment, and Lambert's season so far: What do people make of that?
I can't see anyone saying they think its positive. It is what it is, a comment made by a player during a game. It is nothing. I can't see why it needs raising or highlighting and I really don't thing Jos will be particularly bothered by the comment. The fact someone in Norway has highlighted it and we are debating it here, is probably why so many players put their hands across their mouths when they talk in a pitch. It's all a bit daft if you ask me. It is something that probably happens all the time and in my view isn't worth considering as unprofessional, nor upsetting to a team mate. It's just not worth considering at all. Far too much seems to being read into this.
I rather tend to agree. Don't get me wrong, I love Rickie, what he's done at the club, and I hope he can turn this round - he does have the largest amount of goodwill from the fans to do so, me included - but it's hard to pick fault in anything that well observed comment suggests.
I agree with almost all of it! Where was it from? I do think Lambert is a better all-round player than Holt, but his drop in form isn't a recent thing and it's lasted long enough to be a real concern. I hate to bring it back to Osvaldo's misdeed again, but Lambert really doesn't have enough competition and he won't have for a while now. Rodriguez has looked good at centre forward on occasion, and useless on others (a bit like Lambert you could argue), and I think he's generally more effective coming from deeper (and his defensive effort is perhaps too valuable to lose by moving him forward).
Having viewed the video via a Norwegian proxy (anyone interested in doing so, PM me and I'll walk you through the process), it appears to be at the 70 minute mark, when Soldado got in and hit the side netting with Spurs already up 3-2. Rickie, in the centre circle, puts his head in his hands and then starts walking sideways. He mouths/speaks what appears to be "get Jos off, he's terrible", with a hand gesture to match. It's clearly intended for the bench, with only Lallana nearby. Doesn't look like an attempt to show Jos up...there's no audio, and he doesn't appear to be shouting it. He just wanted Jos off.
Yes, not quite sure J-Rod is the ultimate answer to that - his skills are best suited in other areas. A fully firing Osvaldo, once he's found his feet properly, could well be. Which is I guess what Poch has been thinking all along....
Man up is the expression. Sometimes in Sport it doesn't happen for you. That's not from a lack of effort or even ability. If as a senior player Rickie felt that Hooiveld was shot mentally then I think he is entitled to voice that opinion to the manager. He wants to win just as much as all the fans. I personally think it's healthy that he can express his opinion. MP obviously didn't act on it, so there is no doubt who is in charge.
To me, only one paragraph was really about Rickie. The one that talks about a decent first 6-7 months and then saying its not been so great since then. Well I think everyone agrees with that so from a Rickie point of view, nothing really new there, although interesting that the lack of aggression was raised; certainly he's not been as troublesome it seems.
Not suggesting he should keep his mouth shut out of consideration for Hooiveld's feelings, more out of respect to the team. If he has a bad game against Cardiff does Hooiveld now go to the bench and say "get him off"? What if it's a regular occurrence and several players go to the bench and say it about another player in every game? I don't think that fosters a good team spirit. You have to trust your teammates and expect them to put their own mistakes right. Incidentally, what happens if Hooiveld is picked for the next game? Does Lambert let his head drop on hearing the team announcement? Does he subconsciously slacken off because he thinks our chances of winning are diminished? If Hooiveld is dropped does he resent Lambert for asserting his influence? I think you've hit on something there, MP didn't act on it, but Lambert's comment puts him in an awkward situation. Maybe if he takes Hooiveld off after that, there would be questions in other players' minds about whose decision it was, so he has to keep him on to assert his authority. I'm not suggesting MP's control over the players is that fragile, but it's the kind of consequence comments like that can have. If Lambert makes comments like this a lot, and other players interpret MP as acting on them more often than not, even if it's just a coincidence, you have a serious problem.
Rickie has had a drop in form, yes, but is that because we have higher expectations of him and everybody else in the side because we know what they are capable of? Something that I am not sure has been mentioned, but Rickie did actually admit that he played the 'worst game of his career' yesterday. I know he has been under par in the last few games, but it is not like he has been a liability, missed guilt edge chances, and cost us vital points is it? PS: Jos is terrible, Rickie was right, although I understand it isn't exactly great to say it out aloud on the pitch. Complete non-story though. (It essential means: Rickie states the bleeding obvious!)
Rickie said it during a fraught game thrown away just as we got back into it...players aren't automatons or diplomats. I bet a lot gets said on the pitch that could offend the sensitive...doubt Jos can feel any worse than he does. Handshake and all will be back to normal on the training ground.
