Match Day Thread General matchday thread.

[Peej]

To be fair they only really started spending stupidly after the title win, they might still be in a healthy position if they sought out more Vardy, Kante and Mahrez's. Instead they started pumping £30m into the likes of that rando Algerian striker who done **** all and that Portuguese midfielder that they couldn't even register for half a season . I think it was wages that really killed them though, they were something like 110% of their turnover ffs, but it's the big six hurting them of course, not stupid business...

All went tits up when Everton just took Steve Walsh. It was the long game, him leaving ensured relegation last season. Everton bosses playing 3D chess.

 

[FadgewackeR]

Have we?

Been quite a bit of Scouse noise / outrage, is all I was insinuating.

 

[Sucky]

I just made it up tbh.

Like City do their finances.

 

[Big Ern]

All went tits up when Everton just took Steve Walsh. It was the long game, him leaving ensured relegation last season. Everton bosses playing 3D chess.

He overspent FFP at Leicester and won the league, he did it at Everton and almost got you relegated, not sure that's a winning 3d chess move tbh

 

[brb]

The rules were brought in to stop City, again, sponsoring their corner flags to the tune of £20million a corner by a made up Abu Dhabi 'business', thus giving themselves and extra £80 million a season to spend and circumnavigate FFP.

They clearly want to do it again.

Naming rights for the Etihad for a billion season by a bogus company anyone? I'll open the floodgates.

and?

Football has been corrupt for years throughout the world, England was never ever any exception, I bet many a dodgy deal was done behind closed doors with brown envelopes. FIFA, UEFA, Premier League, all corrupt. 1992 SKY, created a heaven for Man United with broadcasting deals, while little clubs were getting slammed against the wall and no one gave a toss...but City or something, all because it took the trophies off the big boys, that's how life works, karma. I'm sure City's day will come, but until then it makes good bantz for winding up top six teams. I'll look forward to seeing City in L1/L2 in the future, until then people like Sucky and Pinkie can suck it up.

 

[luvgonzo]

Been quite a bit of Scouse noise / outrage, is all I was insinuating.

I'm not arsed personally.

 

[FosseFilberto]

To be fair they only really started spending stupidly after the title win, they might still be in a healthy position if they sought out more Vardy, Kante and Mahrez's. Instead they started pumping £30m into the likes of that rando Algerian striker who done **** all and that Portuguese midfielder that they couldn't even register for half a season . I think it was wages that really killed them though, they were something like 110% of their turnover ffs, but it's the big six hurting them of course, not stupid business...

The points I've been making have very little to do with my own club - can hardly complain about being one of the top 4 most successful clubs in England during the last decade, can I? ... it's been brilliant...

If we've broken rules fair enough - we pay the price - changes nothing in the preceding paragraph at all ...

However, what I'm fundamentally opposed to is a structure (FFP) that purports to be the custodian of footballing fair-play, health and welfare but, in reality, serves mainly to hamstring genuine sustained challenge to the status quo of the elite clubs that normally occupy the Champions League places come the end of each season... and Spurs.

 

[Dier Hard]

The points I've been making have very little to do with my own club - can hardly complain about being one of the top 4 most successful clubs in England during the last decade, can I? ... it's been brilliant...

If we've broken rules fair enough - we pay the price - changes nothing in the preceding paragraph at all ...

However, what I'm fundamentally opposed to is a structure (FFP) that purports to be the custodian of footballing fair-play, health and welfare but, in reality, serves mainly to hamstring genuine sustained challenge to the status quo of the elite clubs that normally occupy the Champions League places come the end of each season... and Spurs.

No one's stopping others from challenging the status quo, the problem is too many want to be doing so in such a small space of time and to essentially overspend beyond their means to do it that it often results in things massively backfiring and then said clubs look to blame others for their own failings.

 

[Peej]

He overspent FFP at Leicester and won the league, he did it at Everton and almost got you relegated, not sure that's a winning 3d chess move tbh

hot Leicester relegated didn’t it.

 

[PINKIE]

Sort of true... Was just because they scared the **** out of the "establishment" by slaughtering them in the spending stakes and then on the pitch.

Dunno mate. I just remember the chavs were a nothing club and then out of nowhere they were breaking all sorts of fees for transfers and wages and buying up just about every top talent in Europe to stop their rivals from getting them.

Then having to loan out 3/4 of their squad when they realised they couldn’t keep 79 players happy every week

 

[Solid Air]

The points I've been making have very little to do with my own club - can hardly complain about being one of the top 4 most successful clubs in England during the last decade, can I? ... it's been brilliant...

If we've broken rules fair enough - we pay the price - changes nothing in the preceding paragraph at all ...

However, what I'm fundamentally opposed to is a structure (FFP) that purports to be the custodian of footballing fair-play, health and welfare but, in reality, serves mainly to hamstring genuine sustained challenge to the status quo of the elite clubs that normally occupy the Champions League places come the end of each season... and Spurs.

The EFL brought in financial rules before the PL , though you were reputedly one of the 3 clubs who voted against them , and that had nowt to do with the "elite clubs".

 

[PINKIE]

Lol flossy’s narrative being torn to shreds like a Man City financial spreadsheet

 

[PINKIE]

and?

Football has been corrupt for years throughout the world, England was never ever any exception, I bet many a dodgy deal was done behind closed doors with brown envelopes. FIFA, UEFA, Premier League, all corrupt. 1992 SKY, created a heaven for Man United with broadcasting deals, while little clubs were getting slammed against the wall and no one gave a toss...but City or something, all because it took the trophies off the big boys, that's how life works, karma. I'm sure City's day will come, but until then it makes good bantz for winding up top six teams. I'll look forward to seeing City in L1/L2 in the future, until then people like Sucky and Pinkie can suck it up.

Utd were successful on the pitch though. They built their brand through their tangible worldwide appeal. Far be it for me to come out in defence of them as an Arsenal fan, but as far as I can see it, whilst they benefited from lucrative TV deals etc, they did things without having to break the rules.

City and the Chavs though were just nothing yo yo clubs. They were doing nothing of note on the pitch. Both were suddenly and artificially propelled to the top with an obscene amount of outside money that skewed the whole playing field.

You already know this though. I get it that it’s bantz material.

But thems the facts mate

 

[Libby]

Utd were successful on the pitch though. They built their brand through their tangible worldwide appeal. Far be it for me to come out in defence of them as an Arsenal fan, but as far as I can see it, whilst they benefited from lucrative TV deals etc, they did things without having to break the rules.

City and the Chavs though were just nothing yo yo clubs. They were doing nothing of note on the pitch. Both were suddenly and artificially propelled to the top with an obscene amount of outside money that skewed the whole playing field.

You already know this though. I get it that it’s bantz material.

But thems the facts mate

In fairness Chelsea were much better than City at the time of each takeover.

Were in the CL and had won a few pots in recent seasons. Compared to City getting slapped 8-1 by Boro lol.

If Liverpool had beaten Chelsea on the final day in 2003 Roman might never have rocked up.

 

[PINKIE]

In fairness Chelsea were much better than City at the time of each takeover.

Were in the CL and had won a few pots in recent seasons. Compared to City getting slapped 8-1 by Boro lol.

If Liverpool had beaten Chelsea on the final day in 2003 Roman might never have rocked up.

Yeah true that.

Chavs set the blueprint for financial doping

City took it to a whole new level lol

 

[Bodinki]

Utd were successful on the pitch though. They built their brand through their tangible worldwide appeal. Far be it for me to come out in defence of them as an Arsenal fan, but as far as I can see it, whilst they benefited from lucrative TV deals etc, they did things without having to break the rules.

Chelsea didnt break the rules either.
There were no FFP rules when Roman bought Chelsea.

It looks like they might have broken some rules since...but thats another matter.

 

[FadgewackeR]

No one's stopping others from challenging the status quo,

They are doing their best...

the problem is too many want to be doing so in such a small space of time

What is an acceptable timeframe for investment to be converted to higher chance of success? The current landscape has this as a far horizon.

and to essentially overspend beyond their means

It's happened before, but there could easily, very easily be ways and means to have bonds to support the clubs that are able to invest heavily should circumstances change. Why shouldn't they be able to spend big on a path to ultimately, become more self sufficient if not profitable.
An eternal loss making machine should not allowed but the problem is that the level of investment needed to catch up is challenged at every turn.

 

[Libby]

Yeah true that.

Chavs set the blueprint for financial doping

City took it to a whole new level lol

They had quite a few trophies near the turn of the century I think so weren't a million miles away in comparison to City.

 

[FosseFilberto]

No one's stopping others from challenging the status quo, the problem is too many want to be doing so in such a small space of time and to essentially overspend beyond their means to do it that it often results in things massively backfiring and then said clubs look to blame others for their own failings.

Neither Citeh, Forest, Everton, Villa, Newcastle or Leicester City have spent beyond their actual 'means' ... measuring their 'means' by reference to some arbitrary financial parameters dreamt up by some random spreadsheet jockey at the football authority is not a real test or accurate measure of that - the asset value of the owners is ... however, it is a convenient means of constraining spend needed to mount a proper challenge to the Sky faves...

Give me one example of overspending massively backfiring on any Prem team being charged under the FFP rules? ... Everton my be in flux right now - but somebody very wealthy is going to buy Everton in due course ...

 

[FadgewackeR]

Dunno mate. I just remember the chavs were a nothing club and then out of nowhere they were breaking all sorts of fees for transfers and wages and buying up just about every top talent in Europe to stop their rivals from getting them.

Then having to loan out 3/4 of their squad when they realised they couldn’t keep 79 players happy every week

Fully agree with them being the starting point for FFP... They backed it up on the pitch though and the 4 became 5... Then the 5 became 6 and anything else is being strongly resisted.