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everton might go a win one or two and everything will look vert different , but from what ive seen so far they are in the mix with the rest of us survivors
https://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2019/11/reds-benefitted-from-var/
This weekend saw opposition fume go into overdrive as Jürgen Klopp’s men were supposedly saved by the VAR, after the official at Stockley Park spotted a Jordan Ayew shove on Dejan Lovren to rule out what would have been the opening goal of the game.
It was the correct decision, as backed up by any authority on the rules of the game you are likely to hear from, as well as the actual Crystal Palace manager. The one who has absolutely no love for Liverpool whatsoever after his disastrous reign at Anfield.
However, despite that, rival fans and even some pundits have decided that it was the latest in a line of “lucky” calls for Liverpool from the recently introduced and much-maligned Video Assistant Referee. It has led to a lot of what I like to call “cryVARsing”.
You may have seen the alternative league table doing the rounds before the weekend that showed what it would look like in a world without VAR. Sure enough, Liverpool were still comfortably top, with the same number of points. The VAR decision at Selhurst Park played a big part in them winning the game on Saturday, but as the decision was clearly correct, it’s not exactly conspiracy gold.
Proof that Liverpool are no more or less likely to benefit from VAR decisions of course came at Villa Park three weeks ago when Roberto Firmino’s armpit was ruled offside. In spite of that setback, instead of subbing on a striker with smaller armpits, Klopp kept faith with his boys and they repaid it by turning a 1-0 deficit around, despite the chalked-off effort.
Dale Johnson from ESPN FC has become one of the more sensible voices on Twitter regarding VAR, and on Monday revealed some of the latest numbers that show how VAR has been impacting the Premier League, who it has been benefitting, and who it has been punishing.
The biggest winners from its introduction so far have been Tottenham, who have had four overturned decisions in their favour, and just one against. Leicester have also had four in their favour, and two against, while surprisingly, Chelsea have been the ones to face the most negative overturned decisions.
Liverpool have been involved in three overturned decisions, two for and one against. It’s a better record than most teams, but there are several who have benefitted more so far.
Some of the biggest “cryVARses” have been Manchester United fans, largely because Liverpool are top of the league, but now also because of Sheffield United’s equaliser being awarded against them on Sunday. It has been quite amusing seeing fans post pictures of the ball very clearly hitting Ollie McBurnie’s shoulder, and then saying that it’s proof that it hit his arm.
There have even been suggestions that, had it been against Liverpool, it would have been ruled out, apparently ignoring the fact that Liverpool had a goal ruled out at Old Trafford by the VAR for handball just a few weeks ago.
Incidentally, Manchester United have also only received one fewer favourable VAR decision than Spurs, and one more than Liverpool.
VAR hasn’t helped Liverpool more than everyone else, and indeed, a lack of VAR involvement is arguably what cost them their 100 per cent record this season at Old Trafford with the debateable foul on Divock Origi by Victor Lindelof in the buildup to Marcus Rashford’s opener.
Liverpool are top of the league. Liverpool deserve to be top of the league. Some people don’t like it, but they have to accept it. If they want to blame something for Saturday, blame Ayew for pushing Lovren. Blame Zaha for that late miss, although I think he might have actually been offside. How funny would that have been, if he’d scored and that was disallowed by VAR too?
This weekend saw opposition fume go into overdrive as Jürgen Klopp’s men were supposedly saved by the VAR, after the official at Stockley Park spotted a Jordan Ayew shove on Dejan Lovren to rule out what would have been the opening goal of the game.
It was the correct decision, as backed up by any authority on the rules of the game you are likely to hear from, as well as the actual Crystal Palace manager. The one who has absolutely no love for Liverpool whatsoever after his disastrous reign at Anfield.
However, despite that, rival fans and even some pundits have decided that it was the latest in a line of “lucky” calls for Liverpool from the recently introduced and much-maligned Video Assistant Referee. It has led to a lot of what I like to call “cryVARsing”.
You may have seen the alternative league table doing the rounds before the weekend that showed what it would look like in a world without VAR. Sure enough, Liverpool were still comfortably top, with the same number of points. The VAR decision at Selhurst Park played a big part in them winning the game on Saturday, but as the decision was clearly correct, it’s not exactly conspiracy gold.
Proof that Liverpool are no more or less likely to benefit from VAR decisions of course came at Villa Park three weeks ago when Roberto Firmino’s armpit was ruled offside. In spite of that setback, instead of subbing on a striker with smaller armpits, Klopp kept faith with his boys and they repaid it by turning a 1-0 deficit around, despite the chalked-off effort.
Dale Johnson from ESPN FC has become one of the more sensible voices on Twitter regarding VAR, and on Monday revealed some of the latest numbers that show how VAR has been impacting the Premier League, who it has been benefitting, and who it has been punishing.
The biggest winners from its introduction so far have been Tottenham, who have had four overturned decisions in their favour, and just one against. Leicester have also had four in their favour, and two against, while surprisingly, Chelsea have been the ones to face the most negative overturned decisions.
Liverpool have been involved in three overturned decisions, two for and one against. It’s a better record than most teams, but there are several who have benefitted more so far.
Some of the biggest “cryVARses” have been Manchester United fans, largely because Liverpool are top of the league, but now also because of Sheffield United’s equaliser being awarded against them on Sunday. It has been quite amusing seeing fans post pictures of the ball very clearly hitting Ollie McBurnie’s shoulder, and then saying that it’s proof that it hit his arm.
There have even been suggestions that, had it been against Liverpool, it would have been ruled out, apparently ignoring the fact that Liverpool had a goal ruled out at Old Trafford by the VAR for handball just a few weeks ago.
Incidentally, Manchester United have also only received one fewer favourable VAR decision than Spurs, and one more than Liverpool.
VAR hasn’t helped Liverpool more than everyone else, and indeed, a lack of VAR involvement is arguably what cost them their 100 per cent record this season at Old Trafford with the debateable foul on Divock Origi by Victor Lindelof in the buildup to Marcus Rashford’s opener.
Liverpool are top of the league. Liverpool deserve to be top of the league. Some people don’t like it, but they have to accept it. If they want to blame something for Saturday, blame Ayew for pushing Lovren. Blame Zaha for that late miss, although I think he might have actually been offside. How funny would that have been, if he’d scored and that was disallowed by VAR too?
Yeah no one is reading that, mate.
the crystal palace goal was rightly disallowed it was a clear shove I don't know how anyone unless they have an agenda against Liverpool would argue otherwise … these type of fans are the same ones that would cry the most if it was given against them.
I think what it means is pool are getting really defensive as they know their current position is only because of having officials more tainted than tony blairs war legacy
or the bitter fans of other big clubs that want to win the title are allowing their emotions to overrule their eyesight
Absolutely mate. I think it’s something the PL should be investigating, although as they want Pool to win the league, they won’t.
VAR has benefitted Spurs the most and Chelsea the least, and yet Chelsea are still 9 points ahead of Spurs.
**** me lad, they have been doing a terrible job for past how many years ?
don't rise to it mate they are just jealous and bitter and will argue till they are blue in the face otherwise
I'm pretty sure we've benefitted more from it, we've had like 6/7 goals against disallowed from it.
#****var
Spurs have benefitted the most in terms of decisions overtuned in their favour. When VAR just backs up the original decision it basically did nothing.
It was soft. In slow motion it’s always going to look worse than it is. Not sure it’s given by VAR on a defending player.
That was my issue with it. If var had given loads of, or some at least, penalties for grappling in the box like we were told it would then I don't think there'd have been much discussion about.
it was a foul that stopped the defende heading the ball away and it lead to a goal... therefor it would have been more unfair to give the goal than to disallow it … VAR is getting some thing wrong, but not that one .. people are just prone to seeing what they want to see imo.. it's actually a fact that the human mind makes it's decisions based on it's emotions and secondly looks for evidence to back up their emotional decision..this is why football fans want it both ways
Do you not think Lovren makes a massive meal of it in the hope of buying a free kick?
I think he shoves him at a critical moment and the foul leads to a goal ,, without the foul they don't score. why shove him ?
He was nowhere near the flight of the ball though. No way he was getting to that ball.
He felt a push in the back and threw himself to the turf. They practise it at Castle Greyskull and are good at it tbf.