Match Day Thread General matchday thread.

[Big Ern]

Yeah probably.

When it was an amateur game the northern teams and arsenal were cheating paying pros.
Kick em all out I say.

 

[FosseFilberto]

Of cheating the rules they signed up for mate.

Its not difficult to understand that's why they are under investigation for 115 charges of cheating.

Not 115 charges of buying success

If you know your history ... it's always happened ...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_England_club

... no surprise that the clubs mentioned in the article were all incredibly successful at the height of their ability to spend compared with their rivals ...

Unfortunately that's the way of the world ... only ones really complaining are fans of those clubs used to having the success that comes with that spending ability but now finding they are poorer cousins relatively ...

 

[Sucky]

Because I don't need to, I've outlined it perfectly, you're just too lackwitted to understand it.

Just say you can't explain mate it's okay

 

[Sucky]

If you know your history ... it's always happened ...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_England_club

... no surprise that the clubs mentioned in the article were all incredibly successful at the height of their ability to spend compared with their rivals ...

Unfortunately that's the way of the world ... only ones really complaining are fans of those clubs used to having the success that comes with that spending ability but now finding they are poorer cousins relatively ...

So what previous English side has had 115 charges of cheating hanging over them before again? You know cos it happens all the time yeh

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Wales slight favourites. Still quite fancy them at home.

Also Iceland at a big price on a neutral ground against Ukraine (presumably still a decent number of Ukrainians going but still). Israel are **** but Iceland looked comfortable.

 

[Big Ern]

Just say you can't explain mate it's okay

ok
Everton, simple fraud, cheap and easy to prove.
Man City, extremely complicated reverse money laundering, extremely expensive to audit and almost impossible to prove.
Understand now you simian brained fool?

 

[Sucky]

ok
Everton, simple fraud, cheap and easy to prove.
Man City, extremely complicated reverse money laundering, extremely expensive to audit and almost impossible to prove.
Understand now simian brain?

Could you elaborate a little

 

[FosseFilberto]

So what previous English side has had 115 charges of cheating hanging over them before again? You know cos it happens all the time yeh

You can only 'cheat' when somebody makes up some rules ... in the days when there were no financial constraints guess which clubs dominated? ... surprise surprise the richest ones ... nowt has changed in that regards ... just the authorities putting in measures to protect the interests of some of those previously able to spend the most ...

 

[Chief]

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Targeting the likes of Everton, Forest, my club and others for 'overspending' when they are all owned by individuals or groups that can easily afford it is hypocrisy - and anti-competitive - who came up with the FFP financial parameters in the first place? and why set them at the limits that they are? - brings me back to my original point ...

If you really want FFP then bring in a rule that means every club has to be completely debt free and can only spend on players out of retained or distributable earnings - but that would **** the game up completely... so what we have now is an ill conceived half-cocked hotchpotch that simply guarantees that it is increasingly difficult for any new attendees to make their way up to the top table ... as Newcastle are finding out ...

Except they didn't make it difficult for City, which was my point and the one you seem to want to ignore. They have more or less facilitated the process by doing **** all about their own rules.

You are claiming FFP is a ruse to protect the old guard, City are not the old guard so that hasn't worked.

It's supposed to provide a sustainable level playing field for all concerned spending wise, also hasn't worked.

I haven't got a dog in the fight. Neither for IT or against it, it just does not work on any level.

As it goes, I genuinely support one team in a financial pickle due to an American leveraged purchase, and am a season ticket holder at another club in the same situation but on a smaller scale.

Both Manchester United and Swansea City have been raped by American owners.

FFP doesn't work against that, either.

 

[FosseFilberto]

Except they didn't make it difficult for City, which was my point and the one you seem to want to ignore. They have more or less facilitated the process by doing **** all about their own rules.

You are claiming FFP is a ruse to protect the old guard, City are not the old guard so that hasn't worked.

It's supposed to provide a sustainable level playing field for all concerned spending wise, also hasn't worked.

I haven't got a dog in the fight. Neither for IT or against it, it just does not work on any level.

As it goes, I genuinely support one team in a financial pickle due to an American leveraged purchase, and am a season ticket holder at another club in the same situation but on a smaller scale.

Both Manchester United and Swansea City have been raped by American owners.

FFP doesn't work against that, either.

I'm not disputing that Citeh are seemingly able to float above any FFP ramifications... as have PSG and Chelsea in my mind.... there is a common denominator amongst them ... incredible wealth... and given the now known antics of Blatter, Platini and Co over the years I can't say I'm particularly surprised that such clubs continue to evade serious accountability ...

... but coming at it tangentially... apart from those nouveau super rich clubs, who does FFP actually benefit ... certainly not those aspiring to join the top table ...

 

[FosseFilberto]

ok
Everton, simple fraud, cheap and easy to prove.
Man City, extremely complicated reverse money laundering, extremely expensive to audit and almost impossible to prove.
Understand now simian brain?

I had no idea that Sucky's real name was Brian ... or that he was from Simia... is it one of the Baltic states?

 

[Treble]

Chief makes a perfectly valid point that if the rules were solely to keep lesser clubs down then City wouldn't have been allowed to achieve what they have.

This then descends into a page of the usual "City cheated" / "no they didn't" which really has fck all to do with the point made.

 

[Peej]

Whatever you've done wrong this time, it's still more likely you're to be charged again before Newcastle are ever charged, as we don't appear to have a set of morons running the club. That was the original point, and it still stands.

Be interesting to see what shakes out after the latest hearing... Best way to avoid getting tickled is usually to avoid playing with feathers I find.

Sure that Newcastle haven’t broken any rules/guidance….

 

[Peej]

FFP is frankly ridiculous and its principal purpose is not the financial health of clubs in general but rather ensuring that the established giants of the game keep their dominance by limiting the ability of fabulously wealthy individuals to rock the status quo with their ownership ambitions ...

a club facing an EFP and PL investigation would tend to look at it that way.

 

[Citizen Kane.]

How did City get past this net of yours then?

UEFA, the FA, the Premier League and, probably, FIFA, suck Man City's cock on a pretty much daily basis and have done **** all to prevent their flouting of FFP, so that pretty much kills your argument.

Not sure if you saw/heard what Ian Wright said the other day about City but it made me really angry.

He was the only Gooner I had time of day for, but his comments belied a dangerous naivety and a really poor attitude.

Even worse were all the other pundits sitting there nodding in agreement.

 

[Libby]

Except they didn't make it difficult for City, which was my point and the one you seem to want to ignore. They have more or less facilitated the process by doing **** all about their own rules.

You are claiming FFP is a ruse to protect the old guard, City are not the old guard so that hasn't worked.

It's supposed to provide a sustainable level playing field for all concerned spending wise, also hasn't worked.

I haven't got a dog in the fight. Neither for IT or against it, it just does not work on any level.

As it goes, I genuinely support one team in a financial pickle due to an American leveraged purchase, and am a season ticket holder at another club in the same situation but on a smaller scale.

Both Manchester United and Swansea City have been raped by American owners.

FFP doesn't work against that, either.

Isn't it because the rules were brought in after (and as a direct response to) City?

City already had a few years of CL money and had won a league title by the time the rules came in so got in just before the door was shut.

A club couldn't do what City did in the 5/6 years between being bought and the rules coming in these days. The rules were made exactly to prevent another City happening as the historically big clubs didn't like it.

Pretty sure David Gill was one of the big drivers of the original UEFA rules wasn't he?

 

[FosseFilberto]

Chief makes a perfectly valid point that if the rules were solely to keep lesser clubs down then City wouldn't have been allowed to achieve what they have.

This then descends into a page of the usual "City cheated" / "no they didn't" which really has fck all to do with the point made.

There are always exceptions ... especially incredibly wealthy ones ...

 

[Libby]

Chief makes a perfectly valid point that if the rules were solely to keep lesser clubs down then City wouldn't have been allowed to achieve what they have.

This then descends into a page of the usual "City cheated" / "no they didn't" which really has fck all to do with the point made.

City had a 5-6 year period of free spending without restriction so it's not really a fair comparison. How are Toon and Villa doing in comparison to those first few years under the Sheikh.

If the rules had come in in 2008 City wouldn't be where they are now.

 

[FosseFilberto]

Isn't it because the rules were brought in after (and as a direct response to) City?

City already had a few years of CL money and had won a league title by the time the rules came in so got in just before the door was shut.

A club couldn't do what City did in the 5/6 years between being bought and the rules coming in these days. The rules were made exactly to prevent another City happening as the historically big clubs didn't like it.

Pretty sure David Gill was one of the big drivers of the original UEFA rules wasn't he?

On the money Libster ... panic set in amongst some of the elite at the thought of more Citeh's quaffing at their exclusive club golden trough...

 

[FosseFilberto]

a club facing an EFP and PL investigation would tend to look at it that way.

We're home free soft lad ... counter sueing both the PL and EPL with the top lawyer honcho for breaches of their own due processes and protocols . . not been caught with our hands in the till diddling receipts and expenses like your grubby little making up the numbers club ... wouldn't be surprised if you end up in the National League